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Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
« on: February 16, 2019, 08:01:20 AM »
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  • Number DCV (605)
    February 16, 2019
    Russia Vilified
    Attackers may attack in self-defence.
    Blame not for sure the one who did commence.

    On the international scene for several years now Russia has been vilified and its President has been blackened in the vile Western media, because the powers that control the Western nations and their media and their politicians want the third World War to give them hegemony or control over the entire world, and Russia is the main obstacle in the way of that worldwide monopoly of power. However, many souls all over the world have come to trust more in the fruits of Putin’s Russia avoiding war than in the fruits of the Western politicians and media doing their best to provoke war. Here follows the summary by Russians of a major speech of Putin given at the Valdai conference in Socchi, Russia, in October of 2014. Let readers judge for themselves if Putin’s words are reasonable, and if they correspond to his deeds:
    1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.
    2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.
    3. The builders of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr of any sort is to be built is not just Russia’s decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.
    4. Russia favours a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.
    5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America’s ever-expanding “empire of chaos, ” and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia’s challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a saviour of the world, as she has done in the past.
    6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.
    7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not want war – nor does she fear it.
    8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr – unt il their efforts start to impinge on Russia’s key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.
    9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia’s power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people. (End of the summary of Putin’s speech.)
    If, when and how another World War breaks out, is entirely in God’s hands, depending on what mankind deserves. But if God must punish us for our own good, all sincere prayer between now and then will help to mitigate the human disaster. It is the enemies of God on both sides who will really have caused it.
    Kyrie eleison.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 09:22:45 AM »
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  • I'm not as positive about Putin as His Excellency.  Putin is ex-KGB and in bed with a lot of Jєωs over there.  I believe in the "Final Solution" scenario, where the fall of the Iron Curtain was staged to revitalize Russia economically in order to built it up militarily.  Putin has revived much of the Soviet symbolism and has pined for the good old days of the U.S.S.R.

    With that said, he's certainly done a lot of good things ... encouraged large families, and encouraged the (albeit Orthodox) church.  He had a certain group of vile protesters arrested for desecrating a church.  He's also had a couple of highly-publicized affairs though.

    AND ... most of all ... Russia has NOT been converted.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 10:35:00 AM »
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    I'm not as positive about Putin as His Excellency.  Putin is ex-KGB and in bed with a lot of Jєωs over there.  I believe in the "Final Solution" scenario, where the fall of the Iron Curtain was staged to revitalize Russia economically in order to built it up militarily.  Putin has revived much of the Soviet symbolism and has pined for the good old days of the U.S.S.R.

    Needless to say, Lad, I’m not as positive about you as I am of His Excellency. That said, you might supply the names of some of these Jєωs who Putin is “in bed with.” You might also show us that the collapse of the Iron Curtain was “staged” for the specific reasons you carelessly throw out. While you’re at it, pleased give us a few quotes or texts from his own hand which prove that Putin “(pines) away for the good old days of the U.S.S.R.”
    If you design, perhaps, to become CI’s Russia expert, you’ll have to do better than this.
    Lastly you write:

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    AND ... most of all ... Russia has NOT been converted.

    You’re implying that this is Putin’s fault? That he must take some direct responsibility for this unhappy reality? In fact, Russia has not been consecrated, much less converted. Sad to say, it is popes of Rome who have failed on this score. Putin has no power or authority to consecrate Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 10:46:28 AM »
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  • Final Solution comes from the famous defector Anatoliy Golitsyn.  He was a KGB defector who provided valuable intelligence information to the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

    He predicted the stratagem of making the iron curtain appear to fall about 7 years before it actually happened.

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    In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old, wherein he warned about a long-term deception strategy of seeming retreat from hard-line Communism designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States. Among other things, Golitsyn stated

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    The "liberalization" would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party's role: its monopoly would be apparently curtailed. An ostensible separation of powers between the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary might be introduced. The Supreme Soviet would be given greater apparent power, and the president of the Soviet Union and the first secretary of the party might well be separated. The KGB would be "reformed."

    Dissidents at home would be amnestied; those in exile abroad would be allowed to return, and some would take up positions of leadership in government.

    Sakharov might be included in some capacity in the government or allowed to teach abroad. The creative arts and cultural and scientific organizations, such as the writers' unions and Academy of Sciences, would become apparently more independent, as would the trade unions. Political clubs would be opened to nonmembers of the communist party. Leading dissidents might form one or more alternative political parties.

    There would be greater freedom for Soviet citizens to travel. Western and Unitized Nations observers would be invited to the Soviet Union to witness the reforms in action

    I consider this to be highly plausible.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 10:52:03 AM »
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  • Putin and the Jєωs ... just one of many articles that can be found with quick Google searches.  It's not difficult to find if you're not too lazy to search.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-nationalist-streak-runs-though-putins-love-for-Jєωs-and-israel/


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    A nationalist streak runs through Putin’s love for Jєωs and Israel
    Experts say pragmatism and an understanding of Russia’s multi-ethnic indigenous culture drive the Kremlin’s close ties with both rabbis and Jerusalem

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/243350

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    'Putin is good to Jєωs'
    Chabad emissary to Moscow describes warm relations between local Jєωs, Pres. Putin, says anti-Semitism non-existent in Russia.



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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2019, 10:54:26 AM »
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  • Putin pining for the days of the Soviet Union.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-politics-sovietunion/russian-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-reaches-13-year-high-idUSKBN1OI20Q


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    Russian nostalgia for Soviet Union reaches 13-year high

    President Vladimir Putin famously dubbed the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century and he and many Russians have long lamented the blow its demise dealt to Moscow’s great power status.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 10:55:06 AM »
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  • As you can see, I can back up everything I wrote.  Now you force me to waste my time due to your ignorance and lack of being informed.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 10:58:23 AM »
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  • If you design, perhaps, to become CI’s Russia expert, you’ll have to do better than this.

    You don't have to be an "expert" to know about the things I cited ... you just have to not be an idiot.

    Your slavish worship of Bishop Williamson really borders on the ridiculous.  I knew His Excellency very well, and was very close to him for a few years ... and I have a tremendous amount of respect for him.  But I do not have to worship him as if he were some divine oracle.  I disagree with a number of his opinions.  And he would demand and expect us to think for ourselves and not be ignorant lackeys.  You do no one any service by slavishly agreeing with everything they say.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 11:01:40 AM »
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  • You’re implying that this is Putin’s fault? That he must take some direct responsibility for this unhappy reality? In fact, Russia has not been consecrated, much less converted. Sad to say, it is popes of Rome who have failed on this score. Putin has no power or authority to consecrate Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart.

    I never said it was his fault that Russia has not been consecrated and converted.  Your lack of logic can be breathtaking at times.  You need to put down the Valtorta, stop being so emotional, and apply your intellect like a man from time to time.  I am simply saying that, because Russia has not been consecrated and converted, it cannot be viewed unequivocally as some force for good, and that Putin cannot be trusted.  KGB agents are known for deception, and a lot of the public image Putin wishes to present could be for show.  As Golitsyn suggested, the whole plan is to make the West let their guard down.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2019, 11:21:51 AM »
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  • Ladislaus hit on the crux of the matter... Russia has NOT converted.

    And we can be sure, when Russia does convert, it will be a conspicuous, miraculous event, as when Our Lady of Guadalupe touched the hearts of 9 million Aztecs.

    The traditionalist, revisionist history crowd realizes from revelations of WWII, that тαℓмυdic Jєωery through Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, controls ALL the international leaders. 
    Such as FDR, Churchill, Stalin, Tojo, Hitler and even "Ike the kike".

    We live at the end of the 5th Age of the Church, where the world functions as a Jєωιѕн international stage. They write the scripts, engineer society and finance all wars.

    We can only watch, pray and hope for the coming Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #10 on: February 16, 2019, 11:57:06 AM »
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  • Handy companion for those who rely on Joogle for their primary source for doing research...



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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #11 on: February 16, 2019, 02:11:58 PM »
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  • Apropos Hollingsworth's comment: seconded in both its assertions and its analysis.

    Reacting to the several weak-tea replies to that comment, a person of sense might well channel his inner Clemenceau* in realizing, mutatis mutandis, that Internet research is to research what Internet romance is to romance.
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    * The allusion here is to a famous comment made by Georges Clemenceau (1841–1929), the sharp-tongued prime minister of France during World War I, usually rendered in English as "Military justice is to justice what military music is to music." In French, Clemenceau's comment was as follows: "Il suffit d'ajouter 'militaire' à un mot pour lui faire perdre sa signification. Ainsi la justice militaire n’est pas la justice, la musique militaire n’est pas la musique." [One need only add "military" to a word to make it lose its meaning. Thus, military justice isn't justice, military music isn't music.] Almost any CI thread might be deemed probative evidence that Clemenceau's remark requires only the substitution of "Internet" for "militaire" for it to justly characterize an all too plain present-day reality.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 03:34:26 PM »
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    If, when and how another World War breaks out, is entirely in God’s hands, depending on what mankind deserves. But if God must punish us for our own good, all sincere prayer between now and then will help to mitigate the human disaster. It is the enemies of God on both sides who will really have caused it.
    Kyrie eleison.

    If the enemies of God get wiped out by the coming global calamity, whether they fall victim to the blowback of their orchestration of WW3 or something else occurs, such calamity will be an act of Divine Mercy. I'm willing to suffer greatly, even die, if God's enemies get wiped out, too. The greater punishment upon man is to allow iniquity to continue to fester, unabated, leading to Antichrist's public emergence.
    Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array? ~ Canticle of Canticles 6:9

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2019, 01:46:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    If, when and how another World War breaks out, is entirely in God’s hands, depending on what mankind deserves. But if God must punish us for our own good, all sincere prayer between now and then will help to mitigate the human disaster. It is the enemies of God on both sides who will really have caused it.

    Amen. I agree with Bp. Williamson on this. We deserve much more and God has been very merciful. Either the Syria conflict or the North Korea issue could have easily broken out into WWIII or a military showdown between the U.S and Russia. Prayer can likely mitigate the chastisement that awaits us, and it's probable Heaven and Our Lady were active behind the scenes here to prevent disaster. 

    I think Heaven's peace plan now would be something like an alliance between Russia and the West, against Islamic terrorism for example. The Cold war is over, and whatever we may think of Putin, most of the Russian people today have no sympathies for Communism by any means. If only the Pope and the Bishops would make the Consecration, Conversion and Peace would come quickly.

    But man doesn't understand, as Our Lady has often said, that sins are the worst cause of evil upon earth, even worse than wars. When we sin obstinately, and especially when humanity denies sin is sin, and we call good evil and evil good, then we declare war on God. That's the first thing we need to change. Even outright war would be a lesser evil than continued persistence in defendinggrave sins like abortion, sodomy, blasphemy and more.

     I am not the greatest fan of Putin, but I think Russia has changed remarkably in the last 30 years or so. Many Russians are religious. A relative of mine who went to Russia recently told me the devotion of the common people in Russia to the Blessed Mother is quite strong. And even Putin's stated sympathy for Soviet union days may be mainly for economic reasons; I don't think he has any love for the earlier days of Gulags etc under Lenin and Stalin. Anyway, I believe it is phase 1 of Heaven's plan for the Russian people to return in some measure to Christian Faith and practice. Phase II will be the full conversion of Russia when the full Consecration takes place. 
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Russia Vilified (no. 605)
    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2019, 09:17:39 AM »
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  • Hard to discern the media revelations about Russia, when most of us haven't been there?

    The prophetic compasses I consider humble and trustworthy are the 20th Century lay mystics, Marie Julie Jahenny and Alois Irlmaier.  They concur on the Great chastisement and Three Days of Darkness. 

    Jahenny claimed Our Lord will have allowed the Jєωs to be prominent in the world at this time because He apparently enjoys confounding the perfidious.

    And Russia will start WWIII. 

    Fr. Malachi Martin, as far as we can trust him, compares Russia to St. Paul:  Initially an instrument of chastisement for Christianity, converted into a "Vessel of Election".

    My rule of thumb is when the Jєωs  start running with their gold to escape, as in 70 AD, there is a healthy change occurring.

    That hasn't happened yet.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi