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Offline jersey60

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Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2021, 07:52:20 PM »
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  • Just wanted to warn you, LT. The way you talk about how you used to seduce beautiful young women, and about other things you like to talk about, it seems to me from reading your posts for the past few years that you suffer greatly from pride. I may be wrong and am not a spiritual director, but that is the impression I get from reading your posts. You are always saying how you are better than everyone else, a better sinner when you were a sinner, and now after your conversion a better saint, and all that.
    Must’ve missed the part Matto when Last Tradhican implied he was a “better Saint”and I read it twice. I will say he’s a good man and a good Catholic however!


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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #46 on: March 11, 2021, 08:01:29 PM »
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  •  Yeti:
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    Here is a rather long excerpt from Palmquist's video, in which he explains the dishonesty of Church Militant:
    OK, fine. Church Militant is dishonest, you say.. But Palmquist’s defense of himself does not necessarily prove that CM’s coverage of his story was dishonest. He tells his side of it. That’s all. Tell you what, call CM and ask them about the video. I’ve talked to them on several occasions. Their phone number is readily available online. Christine herself may even call you back and explain. If you’re totally objective in your questioning about CM reportage, and you’re not rude and combative, I’m certain that Niles or some other staff member will be happy to satisfy your doubts in a calm and deliberative manner.

     
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    Did you even watch the Palmquist video?  He asserts that nearly all of it is wrong and was clearly spun to serve their agenda.  He's no friend of the SSPX and wasn't defending them, focusing solely on Voris' report about him.
    Yes, I did watch the video. I give you the same advice. Call them, and ask them about “their agenda.” CM is quite accessible, I've found. They would be happy to explain something about their sources. You have questions about their motives. Well, bring out your suspicions-- politely of course. No one likes to be berated by a total stranger on the phone.


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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #47 on: March 11, 2021, 08:37:05 PM »
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  • Ladislaus:
    Yes, I did watch the video. I give you the same advice. Call them, and ask them about “their agenda.” CM is quite accessible, I've found. They would be happy to explain something about their sources. You have questions about their motives. Well, bring out your suspicions-- politely of course. No one likes to be berated by a total stranger on the phone.

    What do you think they're going to say?  Whether they believe this themselves or not, they're going to say that they have no agenda other than keeping people safe from predators.  Here we have a third party calling baloney on most of the story written about him.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #48 on: March 12, 2021, 02:11:22 AM »
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  • Sorry, no cigar.  It is not a question at this point of "policing"  errant Society priests or misbehaving laity.  Most of the cases involving pervert SSPX priests and laity were, (and are), known by the SSPX leaders right up to the top.  Far from being shot by "firing squad," great pains have been taken by the Society to cover up and hide them away.  Only when forced by the investigative reporting of CM were a few of these priests turned over to the authorities.  Only when parents of abused children stepped forward and loudly complained was any action taken to expose and correct the situation.
    The Society has, at all costs, endeavored to protect a false image of traditional Catholic probity, completely separated from the corrupt New Church mainstream. Most of the SSPX faithful had no idea, for decades, that these evil things were going on until Michael Voris and Christine Niles began to expose them in April of 2020.
    Matto recognizes the "smoke of sơdơmy."  He admits it openly.  But, alas, he goes on to complain, "If only we had honest reporters to do this investigation."  I see nothing dishonest in CM reporting.  If there is dishonest reporting going on here, then, personally, I would like to know about it in order to stand corrected.
    Which is what I said. 
    I said the worst aspect so far was the cover up.
    But just about every organisation covers it up.  Do you think for example if a high profile Opus Dei priest was guilty of abuse, or CM had ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse happen on one of its Lenten cruises or retreats at sea they would not cover it up? 
    They covered up Voris's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle over 20 years for the first 12 years of his pencil twirling condemnations of Bishops.
    They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black. 

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #49 on: March 12, 2021, 07:01:46 AM »
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  • You're to be pitied too.
    And if the world continues to take your approach, the sodomites will go unabated at molesting and scandalizing little children and pushing their degenerate agenda.

    If I was in control, these perverts would be extinguished as much as possible and forced to take their reprobate behavior underground while living in fear. Very few children would be harmed and corrupted by them.

    That's the difference between you and me.


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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #50 on: March 12, 2021, 07:09:55 AM »
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  • Which is what I said.
    I said the worst aspect so far was the cover up.
    But just about every organisation covers it up.  Do you think for example if a high profile Opus Dei priest was guilty of abuse, or CM had ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse happen on one of its Lenten cruises or retreats at sea they would not cover it up?
    They covered up Voris's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle over 20 years for the first 12 years of his pencil twirling condemnations of Bishops.
    They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black.

    You make a good point about Voris covering up his own past ... until an NO bishop was on the verge of outing him.  That's something I would want to know before allowing my kids anywhere near him.  Sure, he may be an ex-sodomite, but that's like an ex-alcoholic, where you wouldn't give him the keys to your liquor cabinet.

    With regard to the SSPX cover-up, obviously that's the entire point.  Nobody can prevent a sodomite from sneaking in here or there.  Nevertheless, there are lots of times that CM has argued cover-up, where that may not have been the case ... such as with Palmquist, or even with Angles.  There's no evidence, for instance, that anyone higher up in the SSPX knew what Angles was doing.  Palmquist denies that anyone at STAS other than his confessor knew anything about his inclinations, and that he did not manifest any of it openly but suppressed it all.  There were other situations where it's possible that some of the SSPX didn't find various accusations to be credible.

    Was there SOME element of cover-up there in the SSPX?  I believe so, especially with the case of Fr. Abbet, for instance.  But unfortunately CM does a disservice by mixing truth with unsubstantiated insinuations, smears against Traditional Catholicism in general (which they sneak in every few sentences in their videos), and presenting various hypotheses as if they were proven fact.  But given that they pepper in fiction with fact, it makes the actual facts, the ones that SHOULD be addressed, harder to find.  And, actually, because there's so much falsehood there, it even leaves people wondering about the REAL cases, whether even those are true.  If someone mixes in truth with lies, one starts to have doubts about whether the truths are also not lies somehow.
    So I can't understand why hollingsworth refuses to take an objective view of CM.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #51 on: March 12, 2021, 11:46:56 AM »
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  • Tallin: 
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    Which is what I said. 
    I said the worst aspect so far was the cover up.
    But just about every organisation covers it up.  Do you think for example if a high profile Opus Dei priest was guilty of abuse, or CM had ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse happen on one of its Lenten cruises or retreats at sea they would not cover it up? 
    They covered up Voris's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle over 20 years for the first 12 years of his pencil twirling condemnations of Bishops.
    They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black. 

    Do I believe that other Catholic organizations would not cover up similar abuses in the same way that SSPX has?  Maye so.  I don't know.
    Did Voris cover up his own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior over 20 years.  Again, maybe so.  I don't really know.  But early or late, Voris did make a full public confession of his sins, not only to a priest in the Confessional, but to the whole cyber world.  The SSPX has not even come close to doing the same over at least the last 40 years.  Though it may be the pot calling the kettle black, I am happy to hear you admit, nevertheless, that the kettle is black.  It most certainly is.
    And you're right.  The cover up is the worst aspect of all this.  I don't think that Palmquist is the real issue.  In a sense, he is just a side note, a poor, tragic figure, another hapless victim in the larger picture. i hope and pray that be able to repent before death, and find his way to Heaven.
    I am persuaded, whatever Voris' past has been, that he and Niles have done some pretty solid reporting.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #52 on: March 12, 2021, 03:52:43 PM »
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  • Tallin:
    Do I believe that other Catholic organizations would not cover up similar abuses in the same way that SSPX has?  Maye so.  I don't know.
    Did Voris cover up his own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior over 20 years.  Again, maybe so.  I don't really know.  But early or late, Voris did make a full public confession of his sins, not only to a priest in the Confessional, but to the whole cувєr world.  The SSPX has not even come close to doing the same over at least the last 40 years.  Though it may be the pot calling the kettle black, I am happy to hear you admit, nevertheless, that the kettle is black.  It most certainly is.
    And you're right.  The cover up is the worst aspect of all this.  I don't think that Palmquist is the real issue.  In a sense, he is just a side note, a poor, tragic figure, another hapless victim in the larger picture. i hope and pray that be able to repent before death, and find his way to Heaven.
    I am persuaded, whatever Voris' past has been, that he and Niles have done some pretty solid reporting.
    I agree.
    Voris' past doesn't change the truth, nor does it invalidate everything he says or does for the rest of his life.
    I like that summary "They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black."
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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #53 on: March 12, 2021, 04:40:22 PM »
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  • Tallin:
    Do I believe that other Catholic organizations would not cover up similar abuses in the same way that SSPX has?  Maye so.  I don't know.
    Did Voris cover up his own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior over 20 years.  Again, maybe so.  I don't really know.  But early or late, Voris did make a full public confession of his sins, not only to a priest in the Confessional, but to the whole cувєr world.  The SSPX has not even come close to doing the same over at least the last 40 years.  Though it may be the pot calling the kettle black, I am happy to hear you admit, nevertheless, that the kettle is black.  It most certainly is.
    And you're right.  The cover up is the worst aspect of all this.  I don't think that Palmquist is the real issue.  In a sense, he is just a side note, a poor, tragic figure, another hapless victim in the larger picture. i hope and pray that be able to repent before death, and find his way to Heaven.
    I am persuaded, whatever Voris' past has been, that he and Niles have done some pretty solid reporting.

    I wouldn't give Voris too much credit for confessing online.  He had no choice because a Novus Ordo bishop was just about to expose him.

    As for "solid reporting," I disagree.  I think that both Voris and Niles are biased against Traditional Catholicism, have an ax to grind, and so are inclined to see coverup where there may not be any or else where there might be but it's uncertain.  If there were any "maybe" situations, their agenda and their bias inspires them to go with it.  It's like with some of the Vatican II ambiguities, where everyone sees what they want to, where conservatives apply the hermeneutic of continuity while the Modernists see an endorsement of their heresies.  Some of these situations are probably a lot more complicated than they're letting on, but if it could possibly fit with their narrative of coverup, then they're going with it.

    You seem a bit overly smitten with Voris, and/or motivated by an animus against the SSPX, so that you don't seem capable of viewing this objectively.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #54 on: March 12, 2021, 04:50:14 PM »
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  • Could the competition between Opus Dei and the SSPX represent two masonic factions vying for power?

    The “Church Militant” news-front, funded by Opus Dei, has been running a smear campaign against the SSPX going on six years now.

    What is their motivation?

    Opus Dei is a secret society operating within the Church by a unique & clandestine system known as Prelature.  They report only to the Pope.

    From the mouth of Fr. Schmidburger, we also know the SSPX seeks a Prelature with Rome.

    A prelaturized SSPX, with the TLM, long cassocks and Max Krah bank accounts could be a threat to Opus judei... no?

    Yours thoughts?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #55 on: March 12, 2021, 05:00:05 PM »
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  • Two ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men at odds?  I wouldn't believe either one of them.  I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)