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Offline Incredulous

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SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
« on: January 23, 2018, 08:53:52 PM »
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    • There must be something in the pond water, cause the Frogs have gone crazy :jumping2:

    The SSPX now deems it immoral to receive the Catholic bans of marriage without approval from your local Novu ordo Bishop.  


                Father Jean-Michel Gleize - Econe seminary professor


    The position of the priests in Ecône is now decided on the question of marriages with respect to the jurisdiction given by Rome to reconcile the priests of the SSPX: this jurisdiction can be accepted MORALLY. 

    The seminarians are learning in their moral theology class that it is MORALLY GOOD to accept this legal dependence for the marriages of the traditionalists (within the framework of the new code, of course). Restrictions may be made (eg a Taizé father will not be accepted in the choir of an SSPX chapel) but the moral principle is abandoned (submission and mixing of tradition with local modernists) and experience always has shown that the abandonment of the principles leads to catastrophe.

    Father Gleize recently attended a deanery session in France: he clearly announced the new position of Ecône with regard to the acceptance of conciliar jurisdiction. He affirmed that the refusal of this jurisdiction could be equated to a SCHISMATIC TREND. This position is now that of Fr. Benoît de Jorna [director of the Ecône seminar. Note from NP] .

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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 09:17:11 PM »
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    • Are you sure that you have your facts right?  The text below says it is morally okay to accept the involvement of the diocese.  But, that is very different from the sspx saying it is immoral to not accept it, which I don't see anywhere in the text below.  And, a schismatic trend is not really saying it is proclamation of sin.  And, what the sspx has done for many years now according to its ecclesiology trends schismatic, so what is new.
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 09:44:01 PM »
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    • If it is true that Fr. de Jorna has now capitulated, and has acquiesced to the subjugation of SSPX marriages to conciliar authorities, then that is the nail in the coffin of the 2018 General Chapter.

    He was the only one reported to have given any spirited opposition to Bishop Fellay at the 2012 General Chapter.

    Remember this: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-fellay-bombarded-in-his-bunker-at-the-chapter/

    Meanwhile, Some SSPX and Resistance priests are saying that Fr. de Jorna's 2012 opponent (Fr. Pagliarini) is now being spoken of as "Papabile" for the upcoming chapter.

    Depressing, but not surprising, I guess.
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 09:46:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on January 23, 2018, 09:17:11 PM
    Are you sure that you have your facts right?  The text below says it is morally okay to accept the involvement of the diocese.  But, that is very different from the sspx saying it is immoral to not accept it, which I don't see anywhere in the text below.  And, a schismatic trend is not really saying it is proclamation of sin.  And, what the sspx has done for many years now according to its ecclesiology trends schismatic, so what is new.
    The article says it is a new official position for the SSX to deem a Conciliar marriage morally good.
    And, with this new position, any priests or faithful who do not comply are schismatic.

    Is this not what has the October uproar in France was all about?  The French saw the sellout coming.

    Now it is here: SSPXers who do not comply to Msgr. Fellay's marriage jurisdiction edicts are immoral.

    Disobeying Msgr. Fellay, is the state or quality of being immoral; wickedness,badness, evil, vileness, corruption, dishonesty, dishonorableness...etc.

    Do you get it now ?
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 10:04:48 PM »
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    • Incredulous - I did not see the click for a link at the bottom.  I will read what the link has to say.  I will admit thought it doesn't look good.  
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 10:17:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 23, 2018, 09:46:37 PM
    The article says it is a new official position for the SSX to deem a Conciliar marriage morally good.
    And, with this new position, any priests or faithful who do not comply are schismatic.

    Is this not what has the October uproar in France was all about?  The French saw the sellout coming.

    Now it is here: SSPXers who do not comply to Msgr. Fellay's marriage jurisdiction edicts are immoral.

    Disobeying Msgr. Fellay, is the state or quality of being immoral; wickedness,badness, evil, vileness, corruption, dishonesty, dishonorableness...etc.

    Do you get it now ?
    One of the things that always disgusted me was when ecclesia dei would remarry sspx couples who left the sspx.  Basically the ecclesia dei considering sspx marriages invalid was so rediculous to me it seemed just like nasty politics.  And, if the sspx heads down that path, that will be very bad.  Given the neosspx ecclesiology, them simply having a NO notary you could call it is really not the big deal.  But, for them to say it is immoral to do contrary is not what I like to hear.  But, they have been implying that for a long time with many other criticisms and condemnations of the resistance.  So, it is not really new.  Still, nothing I read in this literature is explicitly saying that neosspx considers resistance marriages immoral.  So, don't jump the gun, it is not a healthy practice.  
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2018, 08:00:42 AM »
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    • Father Jean-Michel Gleize was the one who was against a legal unity without being united in the True Faith, now he says this! The situation with the SSPX gets worse and worse each month.
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #7 on: January 24, 2018, 09:16:19 AM »
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    • The SSPX priests need to take a vow of poverty and give all their possessions to the poor parishioners and follow Christ. The fact that they are one eyed men in a country of blind men, has gone to their heads.

    The Rich Young Man
    (Mark 10:17-31; Luke 18:18-30)

    16And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting? 17Who said to him: Why asketh thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20The young man saith to him: All these I have kept from my youth, what is yet wanting to me? 21Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me. 22And when the young man had heard this word, he went away sad: for he had great possessions.
    23Then Jesus said to his disciples: Amen, I say to you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say to you: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 25And when they had heard this, the disciples wondered very much, saying: Who then can be saved? 26And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible.
    27Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? 28And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. 30And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first.
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    Re: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic"
    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2018, 10:28:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 24, 2018, 09:16:19 AM
    The SSPX priests need to take a vow of poverty and give all their possessions to the poor parishioners and follow Christ. The fact that they are one eyed men in a country of blind men, has gone to their heads.

    The Rich Young Man
    (Mark 10:17-31; Luke 18:18-30)

    16And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting? 17Who said to him: Why asketh thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20The young man saith to him: All these I have kept from my youth, what is yet wanting to me? 21Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me. 22And when the young man had heard this word, he went away sad: for he had great possessions.
    23Then Jesus said to his disciples: Amen, I say to you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say to you: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 25And when they had heard this, the disciples wondered very much, saying: Who then can be saved? 26And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible.
    27Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? 28And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. 30And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first.

    Very appropriate Scriptural quote LT.

    Gone are the inspirational days of a humble SSPX.  

    The Order has allowed Conciliarism to overtake them.
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