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Offline Cantarella

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Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 10:59:26 AM »
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  •  You can put all these things in front of a soul, but at the end of the day there's the mystery of FREE WILL.  

    Yes, and also the mystery of predestination in a Catholic sense. 
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 01:05:07 PM »
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  • Something I enjoyed visiting the Benedictine monastery in New Mexico was that they had some one read from a religious book while everyone was eating.
    That practice is the norm for seminaries & monasteries.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 01:51:09 PM »
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  • That practice is the norm for seminaries & monasteries.
    Indeed, I know it is the norm. But it is a good practice I think families could impliment when they have meals together. Even if it's a short repas or tea time you can get a couple of pages in. It gives one something to contemplate, or it may even be entertaining to hear a short episode of a saint's life or some persecution in history. One's mind develops a taste for the things you feed to the subconscious. Most children (even from a very young age) are consuming impure pictures, evil music, evil ideologies, etc. I've seen it first hand, and this is likely a good part of why they are lukewarm or even cold. If you feed them good things they will develop a taste for it and you may counter the progression of today's culture of death.
      On another note, it is said that even people living in the world should strive for the spiritual practice and contemplation as far as they are able. So reading a book aloud for a bit would be an easy way to partly do that. 
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 02:06:08 PM »
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  • I'd have to disagree with reading at meals.

    For families this is the traditional time to find out what your kids are up to and for sharing.
    How many times during the day is the whole family together?   For most families they
    gather only twice ....meals and prayer time.

    I'd rather see some spiritual reading before the evening prayers and rosary.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #19 on: February 20, 2018, 05:40:12 PM »
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  • I, for one, have seen many, if not most second-generation traditional Catholics in my local SSPX chapel who don't understand the crisis and definitely will not pass on their Catholic Faith. There is no catechism class in the church, and nothing that teaches about the Crisis to the teenagers... they are the neglected group there.
    How to keep the children Catholic??? ?
    You keep them Catholic by teaching them yourself, do not rely on the SSPX. As a matter of fact, I use our SSPX prior as an example to my children of what not to do.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #20 on: February 26, 2018, 08:36:58 AM »
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  • Number DLIV (554)
    February 24, 2018
    Parenting Today – II
    Parents, there is not nothing you can do –
    The natural, physical, human, keep in view.

    When parents read here last week the question whether they know what parenting today demands, it is to be hoped that they did not feel accused. They are under heavy pressure from the whole environment surrounding their children, and when souls are under pressure, God does not require of them to do the impossible, but only whatever they can do. Thus in the Letter to the second of the seven Churches of Asia, corresponding to the Church’s Age of Martyrs (Apoc. II, 8–11), the Venerable Holzhauser explains that if the Catholics of Smyrna receive from the Holy Ghost no rebuke or reproach like five of the other seven Churches, it is because Catholics under persecution need encouragement and not criticism.
    And God knows, parents striving to save their children’s souls are under persecution, not yet bloody, but most powerful. For when men are, for instance, turning to AI (Artificial Intelligence) to make a robot into their god, then they are losing not only the true God, they are losing all notion of the difference between a machine and a human being, let alone the difference between man and woman or between parents and children. How can an environment trusting in AI for its future have any understanding or sympathy for the family as God designed it?
    As one reader wrote to me, Eastern Communism treated brutally anybody not in line, but at least the enemy of salvation was recognisable, whereas what one might call Consumerism in East or West is rather more subtle – instead of brutalising, it merely marginalises, making true Catholics “abnormal,” while the children so want to be “normal,” with smart-phones like all the other children, etc. Consumerism glitters like its coloured lights, and so the children are being turned into mindless robots, clever enough when it comes to manipulating technology and the machines, but with no idea of the essential human questions, because they are never taught t o read, or to read between the lines as one did under Communism, and they are deprived of all tools of thinking. A generation of android puppets is growing all around us.
    So, as opposed to what parents cannot do, what can they do to put their children on the path to Heaven (it will be the children’s own free choice later if they stay there)? Firstly, a few basics. God exists and He wants to save all children, and to all of us He gives the help of His Mother and of invisible but powerful guardian angels who are on the side of all true parents. In the home, let these supernatural realities be part of everyday life, and let the everyday life be supernatural, even while parental common sense stops the children from being turned off by an artificial excess of religion.
    Then on the natural level, give your children as much time as you see they need. Love is spelt T-I-M-E. Children to become human need to be formed by human beings, not by machines. And the natural formers of c hildren are their parents, who have an enormous natural influence on their children, if only the parents will use it, instead of abdicating it. Set regular family meals around a table, and at the meals, talk. Chinese proverb: “Instruct your children at table, your wife on the pillow.” Talk politics, especially the difference between reality and what the media present as reality. Warn the children to be careful outside the home, but tell them the truth about 9/11, and about The Monster Fib (between five and seven million). Yes, tell them about it as soon as they are capable of understanding (not before), so that they can realise what a world of lies God has given us to live in, as a just punishment for our apostasy. Always add in the religious dimension because it is always there, and the children need to understand that it is God that matters. But not just by piety – Our Lady of Fatima promotes both the Rosary and Russia’s Consecration.
    Then, more practically, get all possible electronics out of the house. Teach the children why you are not allowing television or smart-phones under your roof, and if you cannot do without the Internet, teach them why it is under physical (not just electronic) lock and key. And get their hands to work, boys on taking to pieces a motorbike, or carpentry, girls on sewing and cooking, all hands on the Rosary. And instead of television, try every night a family reading from Maria Valtorta’s “Poem of the Man-God” (former title). Ridiculous? Try it. You may just find that the “Poem” is God’s own answer to the television set!
    Kyrie eleison.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #21 on: February 26, 2018, 08:46:52 AM »
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  • While I can agree that people need to focus more on saving their souls given their state of life (including the well-being of their children if they have any), and I can even agree that many of these topics are indeed dead-end topics, since they're not going to be resolved any time soon, I simply cannot agree that these things "really don't matter" (except perhaps the shape of the earth one).  Bishop Williamson would be the first to disagree with you; one of his favorite sayings was that "ideas matter".
    Yes, for others. For those with enough time and education to devote to the matter. But most men have "bigger fish to fry" and would do well to ignore those academic and abstract questions, focusing instead on much more pressing matters, closer at hand, with much more bearing on their day-to-day life including the salvation of their immediate family members (for whom the father is directly responsible!)

    As human beings, any time spent studying (or arguing online!) is a zero-sum game. Every minute I spend on these academic questions is a minute I'm NOT spending reading "My Life with Thomas Aquinas" or "Fatherhood and the Family" -- books aimed at married people and applying St. Thomas Aquinas' principles to the Modern world.

    Or spending one-on-one time with each of my children, to help form a stronger bond, as well as teach them and influence them. No one could convince me my time wouldn't be better spent doing that, rather than arguing with a bunch of people whose minds are ALREADY SET, plus there is no way to come to a grasp of the truth in the matter!

    Why pursue something that our minds can't grasp the truth about? I believe in the mind's ability to grasp truth IN GENERAL. But some mysteries, like the Pope question, the Crisis in the Church, I am agnostic (denying our ability to arrive at any truth/certainty in the matter). An agnostic says, "I don't know. And we can't know." So why waste time?

    I firmly believe that the Crisis in the Church is like the Holy Trinity -- it's beyond our puny minds ability to understand and fully grasp. Except God deigned to give us REVELATION in the case of the Trinity -- thus far, He has not done so about the Crisis in the Church. It seems to be His will that it remain a mystery. Who am I to argue with God?

    Philosophy is about considering universal truths, and certainly about arriving at the truth. So if I know beforehand it's "not going to happen", then why waste my time?

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #22 on: March 02, 2018, 12:18:53 AM »
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  • .
    Here we go again.
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    Then, more practically, get all possible electronics out of the house. Teach the children why you are not allowing television or smart-phones under your roof, and if you cannot do without the Internet, teach them why it is under physical (not just electronic) lock and key. And get their hands to work, boys on taking to pieces a motorbike, or carpentry, girls on sewing and cooking, all hands on the Rosary. And instead of television, try every night a family reading from Maria Valtorta’s “Poem of the Man-God” (former title). Ridiculous? Try it. You may just find that the “Poem” is God’s own answer to the television set!
    Kyrie eleison.
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    I have no problem having boys taking apart a motorcycle or doing carpentry, and girls sewing and cooking.
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    But if I were to replace all electronic devices in the house with readings from Valtorta's Poem I would have open warfare in the house.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
    « Reply #23 on: March 02, 2018, 04:12:49 AM »
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  • Yes.  Remove electronics including cell phones, computers and TV from the children.  I have given up Facebook, email, TV  for Lent and I feel much better.  I see local traditional Catholic children and many are rebelling when they hit their teens.  One parent is devout while the other parent might be more worldly.  I see that at an early age there is lack of discipline even during Mass.  I'm still trying to figure out why would anyone homeschool their children then send them off to liberal secular colleges including the girls.  The girls are being encouraged to go to college instead of getting married and having a family.  

    It isn't just Catholics but Amish youth are becoming more worldly.  Yet most are hard workers.  
    May God bless you and keep you