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Offline cathman7

Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 10:24:42 AM »
I think this cultural question in a certain sense takes precedence over the complex theological issues facing us. If we can't get these questions correct then our children stand no chance once they are on their own and have to live and work among non-Catholics.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 10:36:18 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on February 18, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
... SO much more useful and SO much more worthy of our consideration and study than dead-end topics that really don't matter, such as:

* The status of the Pope
* The shape of the earth
* Feeneyism/BoD, BoB
* How all of Tradition (except "me") got it wrong, and how *I* would fix Tradition if only people would listen to me...

A person could spend hours arguing those topics, thinking he does well "defending the truth", all the while his children lose the faith because he doesn't apply himself where he is most needed in the battle.

While I can agree that people need to focus more on saving their souls given their state of life (including the well-being of their children if they have any), and I can even agree that many of these topics are indeed dead-end topics, since they're not going to be resolved any time soon, I simply cannot agree that these things "really don't matter" (except perhaps the shape of the earth one).  Bishop Williamson would be the first to disagree with you; one of his favorite sayings was that "ideas matter".
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2018, 10:42:46 AM »
There's something else going on here, though, people.  I have seen parents who were truly devoted to raising their children correctly, who gave their kids a strong Traditional Catholic education, who established a good devout atmosphere at home ... STILL end up with apathetic/lukewarm kids ... and even kids who left the Church.  You can put all these things in front of a soul, but at the end of the day there's the mystery of FREE WILL.  You can lead the horse to water, but you can't force it to drink.  And I see less and less GRACE in the world which would inspire children to embrace deeply what they have been taught.

With fewer and fewer valid Masses left in the world, the grace is drying up.  And more and more I sense that the devil is completely taking over the world.
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 10:52:09 AM »
Quote from: obscurus on February 19, 2018, 10:24:42 AM
I think this cultural question in a certain sense takes precedence over the complex theological issues facing us. If we can't get these questions correct then our children stand no chance once they are on their own and have to live and work among non-Catholics.

I think you are right. In the society we are living in, even the moral and very biological foundations for the preservation of humanity are being under vicious attack. The demolition of the Traditional family, the emasculation of men, the masculinization of women, the glorification of impurity and evil, and even a complete disconnect with objective reality itself are serious and real issues that parents are facing today. This is, after all, the collapse of an entire civilization and it is as if we need to start rebuilding from zero.

I mean, we are at the point of even asking if there will be any children at all tomorrow to carry on Catholicism?
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Offline cathman7

Re: Eleison Comments - Parenting Today I (no. 553)
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 10:52:38 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 19, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
While I can agree that people need to focus more on saving their souls given their state of life (including the well-being of their children if they have any), and I can even agree that many of these topics are indeed dead-end topics, since they're not going to be resolved any time soon, I simply cannot agree that these things "really don't matter" (except perhaps the shape of the earth one).  Bishop Williamson would be the first to disagree with you; one of his favorite sayings was that "ideas matter".
I think it is a question of priority. Of course you are right that "ideas matter". And the "idea" of giving your children a proper formation takes precedence. If you are allowing your daughter to date at a young age (and I have seen this) then does it really matter if you as a father know how to debate the question of whether there is a Pope or whether there is such a thing as "baptism of blood/desire"? 
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