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Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
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  • Number DLI (551)
    February 3, 2018
    “Official Church”?
    Rome may manoeuvre, dodge, deceive, outwit,
    But with lines curved straight things by God are writ.

    One needs to be very careful with words, because words are the handle of our mind upon things, and things are the stuff of everyday life. Therefore upon words depends how we will lead our lives. At the flagship parish church of the Society of St Pius X in Paris, France, there is a Society priest taking due care of words. Fr Gabriel Billecocq wrote in last month’s issue (#333) of the parish’s monthly magazine Le Chardonnet an article entitled “Did you say ‘official Church’?.” In it he never once mentions Society Headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland, but he does complain of the “wish” coming from somewhere, presumably on high, that the words “Conciliar Church” should always be replaced by the words “official Church.” And he is right, because the words “Conciliar Church” are perfectly clear, whereas the words “official Church” are not clear, but ambiguous.
    For on the one hand “Conciliar Church” signifies clearly that large part of today’s Church which is more or less poisoned with the errors of the Second Vatican Council. Those errors consist essentially in the re-centring upon man of the Church which should be centred on God. On the other hand “official Church” is an expression with two possible meanings. Either it can mean the Church officially instituted by Christ and officially brought to us down the ages by the succession of Popes, and to that “official Church” no Catholic can object, on the contrary. Or “official Church” can be taken to mean that mass of the Church’s officials devoted to Vatican II who for the last half-century have been using their official power in Rome to inflict upon Catholics the Conciliar errors, and to this “official Church” no Catholic can not object. Therefore “Conciliar Church” expresses something automatically bad, while “official Church” expresses something good or bad, depending upon which of its two meanings it is being given. Therefore to replace “Conciliar Church” by “official church” is to replace clarity by confusion, and it also stops Catholics from referring to the evil of Vatican II.
    Fr Billecocq never suggests that Society Headquarters did “wish” such a thing, but a fact and a speculation do suggest it. As for the fact, earlier this month the Society’s French District Superior, Fr Christian Bouchacourt, being interviewed in public about the Society’s up-coming elections in July, said: “As soon as a Superior General is elected, the Vatican is immediately notified of the decision.” Such notifying of the Vatican by the Society as to Society elections has never been done before. And it strongly suggests that the Society’s present leaders look forward to Rome not only being informed but also giving its official approval of the Society’s choice of its leaders – why notify if not to get approval? What else will the Newsociety beg for from the Newchurch? What will it not beg for? How far the Society has come from the days when the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre used to force Rome to do the begging!
    As for the speculation, we hear that two main candidates are being groomed by Menzingen for voters at the Society’s July elections to choose as Superior General, because the post will no longer be taken by a bishop. At a guess, Rome is already in virtual control of these major decisions being taken within Society Headquarters. In that case Rome has little to fear of either of these two candidates substantially changing Bishop Fellay’s pro-Roman policies, while it may have much to gain from the appearance of a change at the top, and it may be able to make use of Bishop Fellay in Rome to be head of a “renovated” Ecclesia Dei Congregation, to include all Traditional communities, including his own former Society.
    Who can doubt the skill of the Romans to turn all situations to their advantage? Unless. . . unless there were to break out again within the Society that Faith and Truth which were the driving force of Archbishop Lefebvre and of his victory over all the liberals and modernists in Rome. These demons strive to undo once and for all God’s Catholic Tradition which is the most serious potential obstacle to their new One World Religion. And God may require no less than the blood of Catholic martyrs to stop them. The martyrs coming from among the Society’s priests and lay-folk will be its glory.
    Kyrie eleison.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #1 on: February 05, 2018, 11:30:44 AM »
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  • Oh wow... these "Maccabean" style ECs are my favorite!   :jumping2:

    Full of political intrigue, Church militancy, blood & guts!


    "Who can doubt the skill of the Romans to turn all situations to their advantage?"

    "These demons strive to undo once and for all God’s Catholic Tradition which is the most serious potential obstacle to their new One World Religion."

    "And God may require no less than the blood of Catholic martyrs to stop them. The martyrs coming from among the Society’s priests and lay-folk will be its glory."

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #2 on: February 05, 2018, 11:36:21 AM »
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  • This was a really good EC.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #3 on: February 05, 2018, 11:53:45 AM »
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  • It's good to get the names of the opposing forces straight, to minimize the battlefield smoke & confusion: 

    Conciliar Church,  Official Church,  newChurch

    Versus

    Traditional Roman Catholic Church,  Latin rite remnant Church or Church eclipsed.


    The latter name given by Our Lady of LaSalette  


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-



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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 12:46:43 PM »
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  • The conciliar church is not the Catholic Church. Only those who fail to make this distinction and think that it is something else can be confused by terms. Clear thinking and discernment tell us it is not.

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    "Now we have received not the spirit of this world, but the Spirit that is of God; that we may know the things that are given us from God."
    The conciliar entity is not from God but is from His adversary.

    The SSPX is a slow motion train wreck, and save a divine intervention has become a a failed experiment.
    It s time to move beyond and away from it and find other ways to save our souls and remain faithful.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 12:49:30 PM »
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  • According to SSPX Father Dominique Bourmaud, 

    there's also the "dangerous, schismatic, ghetto mentality" Resistance Church.



    But there so low class...
    they can't even offer a French priest some smelly cheese or a good bottle of wine!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 12:57:09 PM »
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  • According to SSPX Father Dominique Bourmaud,

    there's also the "dangerous, schismatic, ghetto mentality" Resistance Church.



    But there so low class...
    they can't even offer a French priest some smelly cheese or a good bottle of wine!
    Stinky cheese and a "good" bottle of wine.  Those are two things I hate.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 01:17:29 PM »
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    At the flagship parish church of the Society of St Pius X in Paris, France,...
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    That would be St. Nicolas du Chardonnet!
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    Fr Gabriel Billecocq wrote in last month’s issue (#333) of the parish’s monthly magazine Le Chardonnet an article entitled “Did you say ‘official Church’?” In it he never once mentions Society Headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland, but he does complain of the “wish” coming from somewhere, presumably on high, that the words “Conciliar Church” should always be replaced by the words “official Church.” And he is right, because the words “Conciliar Church” are perfectly clear, whereas the words “official Church” are not clear, but ambiguous.
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    It's nice to get a "heads-up" like this. Watch out for "official Church" being kicked around in the near future. RE: EC DLI.
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    Looks like Newrome is demanding that the term "official Church" become implemented from "on high" in the XSPX.
    E.g., part of the secret negotiations that have been going on behind closed doors, and fairly denied by some.
    I.e., the "deal" or the "practical agreement" has already been achieved, a fait accompli, as they say in Paris.
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    As for the speculation, we hear that two main candidates are being groomed by Menzingen for voters at the Society’s July elections to choose as Superior General, because the post will no longer be taken by a bishop. At a guess, Rome is already in virtual control of these major decisions being taken within Society Headquarters. In that case Rome has little to fear of either of these two candidates substantially changing Bishop Fellay’s pro-Roman policies, while it may have much to gain from the appearance of a change at the top, and it may be able to make use of Bishop Fellay in Rome to be head of a “renovated” Ecclesia Dei Congregation, to include all Traditional communities, including his own former Society.
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    And here +W expects +Fellay to step down in June, to be transferred over to a head a new body that will swallow up the Society -- Newrome must be pleased with the performance of +F and is offering him a "luscious plum" (his own words, from 1995), not to be confused with the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
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    Returning to the ambiguous "official Church" theme...
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    For on the one hand “Conciliar Church” signifies clearly that large part of today’s Church which is more or less poisoned with the errors of the Second Vatican Council. Those errors consist essentially in the re-centring upon man of the Church which should be centred on God. 
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    This term, "Conciliar Church" was one coined by one of the Newchurch Modernists, and immediately recognized by Fr. Malachi Martin as the PROPER TERM to use when referring to the Modernists who have overtaken the Roman seat of the Church. It has been for the past 30 years a very specific and clear term which leaves nothing to the imagination. But Newchurch Modernists abhor clarity and definition. They much prefer wiggle room and therefore AMBIGUITY. One might say, duplicity is their norm.
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    On the other hand “official Church” is an expression with two possible meanings

    Either it can mean  1) the Church officially instituted by Christ and officially brought to us down the ages by the succession of Popes, and to that “official Church” no Catholic can object, on the contrary. 

    Or  2) “official Church” can be taken to mean that mass [crowd] of the Church’s officials devoted to Vatican II who for the last half-century have been using their official power in Rome to inflict upon Catholics the Conciliar errors, and to this “official Church” no Catholic can not object. 
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    ...the Church’s officials devoted to Vatican II who for the last half-century have been using their official power in Rome to inflict upon Catholics the Conciliar errors... Some words can stand alone -- this should be a very useful direct quote.
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    Therefore “Conciliar Church” expresses something automatically bad, while “official Church” expresses something good or bad, depending upon which of its two meanings it is being given. Therefore to replace “Conciliar Church” by “official church” is to replace clarity by confusion, and it also stops Catholics from referring to the evil of Vatican II.
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    So it has a DOUBLE PURPOSE - it replaces clarity with confusion, and it stops Catholics from referring to the evil of Vat.II -- notice what +W has not pronounced here, that this DOUBLE PURPOSE has been nothing other than the +Fellayite agenda ever since 1994 when he was first elected, but something that he has implemented in stages of development over the past 24 long years; the stages of which have been chronicled here on CI but to which stages the blind followers of the XSPX are oblivious. How many blind followers of the XSPX do you know who have never heard of GREC? Or the AFD (a.k.a. Doctrinal Declaration of April 15th, 2012)? Oh, right, they've heard of +W's expulsion but he deserved it, don't ya' know - he was a disobedient anti-Semite. 
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    Notice, if you will, that this DOUBLE PURPOSE shares a lot ideologically with the hermeneutic of continuity of Benedict XVI.
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    There are a lot of things an E.C. contains that a reader unfamiliar with recent history would not understand.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 01:25:03 PM »
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  • According to SSPX Father Dominique Bourmaud,

    there's also the "dangerous, schismatic, ghetto mentality" Resistance Church.



    But they're so low class...
    they can't even offer a French priest some smelly cheese or a good bottle of wine!
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    And the smelly cheese / fine wine combo would be more enjoyable with real cut lead crystal instead of that form-pressed glass, above, the one with the SEAM running down the sides! It's amazing what you can see in a photo. It's worth 1,000 words!
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    After the wine and cheese could come a nice cigar and rare cognac.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 01:27:04 PM »
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  • It's good to get the names of the opposing forces straight, to minimize the battlefield smoke & confusion:

    Conciliar Church,  Official Church,  newChurch

    Versus

    Traditional Roman Catholic Church,  Latin rite remnant Church or Church eclipsed.


    The latter name given by Our Lady of LaSalette  



    Judeo-Bolshevik Church, Communist Party Church, Neo-Trotskyist Church, aka the Great Apostasy
    vs.
    Catholic Nationalist Church, Pan-European Roman Church, Catholic Church newly resurrected from the mystic death of the eclipsed Remnant Church

    Perhaps Bishop Williamson is being a bit too passively gloomy in imagining that Catholics need their clergy to in effect man the barricades and go down machine guns blazing.  After all, a Catholic laity actually does exist and is entirely capable of dealing with any and all such political-military temporal matters.

    There is great actual need among Catholics for their existing Catholic clergy (never to be confused with the Judeo-Bolshevik, Neo-Trotskyist clergy now ensconced in the Vatican) to be serious men who do their actual existing duty.  Namely, Catholics greatly need a Catholic episcopacy that would focus their efforts on a contemporary and effective Catholic Nationalist education and pedagogy.  Then our existing contemporary Catholic laymen could deal with the more temporal occurrences of any possible or actual heroic warrior death and dying.  In any event, the opportunities for martyrdom are very largely behind us by now and the good Bishop Williamson has sadly missed the boat for receiving the graces of a heroic baptism of blood.

    It seems to this lowly blogger that Bishop Williamson is ready and eager for the pontificate of Pope Paul VI, of universally unlamented memory.  There were some courageous Catholic clergy who did then give their lives for the glorious Kingship of Christ.  But Pope Paul VI is long gone and we are now in the year 2018, not 1978.  At present Marxism is actually dead as a doornail, the obstacles in our way are in spiritual terms mere crumbled piles of rubble and the time is now for Catholics to cheerfully get to work and take the world by storm.  Essentially through superior Catholic noble education and noble episcopacy, not through hopelessly nostalgic repetitions of past persecutions that are already happily gone and done with.

    The Catholic Resistance should not nostalgically stagnate in replays of the 20th Century blues, but be humble enough to be grateful and rejoice in the much more joyful realities of our own 21st Century.  We ought not timidly quiver in fear of the phantom shadows of a bygone age, but instead have the humble courage to be serious men and women and build up a new civilisation on the ruins of the old destroyed one.
      
    The great Catholic writer Ernst Junger said the 21st Century would be the Age of Titans, and the 22nd Century the Age of the Gods.  Time now for Catholic adults to live like Titans, and stop living in the past like timid Catholics of the late 20th Century living in fear of ghosts of things long dead that no longer even exist.

    Maranatha!


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 01:29:10 PM »
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    Speaking of which, something isn't right here.
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    The level of the wine surface is off. Couldn't be a steady grip. His hand must have been moving when the photo was taken.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
    « Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 03:09:46 PM »
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  • Sorry, Bishop Williamson.  Your comment below is not much clearer than "official Church" for it suggests that the "Conciliar Church" is part of the One,True Catholic Church:


    For on the one hand “Conciliar Church” signifies clearly that large part of today’s Church which is more or less poisoned with the errors of the Second Vatican Council.
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
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  • Great post Franciscan Solitary!

    Who will give us the Sodom & Gomorrah scale chastisements and lead the paralyzed Catholic remnant ?

    None other, than God the Holy Ghost and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Official Church? (No. 551)
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  • Great post Franciscan Solitary!

    Who will give us the Sodom & Gomorrah scale chastisements and lead the paralyzed Catholic remnant ?

    None other, than God the Holy Ghost and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    Absolutely!
      
    In more religious terms what will save the Catholic Remnant is certainly the Franciscan theology and practices recommended for us by St. Grignon de Montfort, Padre Pio and St. Maximilian Kolbe:  The Holy Ghost as the Uncreated Immaculate Conception and the Blessed Virgin Mother of God as the created Immaculate Conception.  All of which, by the way, in more temporal terms equates with Catholic Nationalist racial science and the singular value of racial purity for the entire human race, in that respect for every race and nation equally.  It is timely for Catholics to appreciate that the mainstream Catholic heritage has always been noble and aristocratic in nature.  Everything common has been allowed (very unlike with the historic Pagans) and even generously pampered, but has nevertheless also always been secondary to the predominant noble and warrior core of our Roman or Pan-European heritage.

    The Marian Apparitions have a militant Catholic Nationalist side to them.  That is why the Left has always opposed them so fanatically.  The Virgin of Guadalupe has much to do with the Spanish Reconquista and Pan-American Hispanidad.  Our Lady of Lourdes has much to do with the unique value of French civilisation, and Norman English and British-American Anglo-French civilisation too.  Our Lady of Fatima has everything to do with the many incomparable heroic tragedies of Catholicism last century.  In Catholic prophecy our own 21st Century is the time of the Knighthood of the Holy Ghost and, needless to say, the Marian Militia that is the contemporary Catholic Remnant of the End Time.

    Only Our Lord Himself can save us and He only comes to us in and through the Blessed Virgin.  Which on the temporal level also means that He also comes to us in and through Catholic Nationalism and the Roman Catholic racial wisdom and noble courage thereof.  As relatively fallen human beings Our Lord comes to us through noble Roman Pan-European racial good breeding and through the good manners and racial purity of Our Lady the Divine Mother of God.  No less.

    De Maria numquam satis!


     

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