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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Kelley on June 09, 2012, 12:31:22 PM
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Number CCLVI (256) 9 June 2012
ARCHBISHOP SPEAKS
Until Archbishop Lefebvre finally decided to consecrate bishops for the Society of St Pius X in June of 1988, he was, like all Catholics since Vatican II, torn between the Catholic Truth and Catholic Authority that that Council, following the modern world, had split from one another. However, once he had taken that decision, which proved clearly to have been the saving of Catholic Tradition, it was as though everything in his mind dropped back into place, and he never again wavered until his death some two and a half years later.
As an example of his clear mind, here is a letter that he wrote on August 18, 1988, to Dom Thomas Aquinas, the young Prior of the monastery in Brazil which had been founded from the Traditional Benedictine monastery in the south of France, le Barroux, under Dom Gerard. Alas, within days of the consecrations in Econe, Dom Gerard had broken with the SSPX in order to integrate his monastery into the Conciliar Church. Here is what the Archbishop wrote to Dom Thomas:--
“How I regret that you had to leave before the events of le Barroux (i.e. Dom Gerard’s defection). It would have been easier to consider the situation resulting from Dom Gerard’s disastrous decision.
“In his declaration he lays out what has been granted to him, and he accepts to put himself under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional. That is what made me keep my distance. At the same time he wished to retain the friendship and support of Traditionalists, which is inconceivable. He accuses us of resisting for the sake of resisting. I did warn him, but his decision had already long been taken, and he did not want to heed our advice.
“The consequences are now inevitable. But we will have no further relations with le Barroux, and we are advising our faithful to give no more support to an operation which is henceforth in the hands of our enemies, the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of his Universal Kingship. The Benedictine Sisters (attached to le Barroux) are in great distress. They came to see me. I gave to them the advice that I give to you: remain free, and reject any tie with this modernist Rome.
“Dom Gerard is using every argument to paralyze the resistance. (-) Fr. Tam will tell you what I have not written down here. (-) May God bless you and your monastery. Mons Marcel Lefebvre.”
Subsequently Dom Gerard visited the monastery in Brazil to make it follow him into the Newchurch, but young Dom Thomas bravely stood his ground, and the monastery under his guidance has remained Traditional ever since. What does not appear in the letter above is that the Archbishop actually encouraged Dom Thomas to rally the faithful monks in le Barroux, and eject Dom Gerard !
Such was the Archbishop’s clear mind and will from the Episcopal consecrations onwards. One wonders how some of his sons can now be wanting to put themselves “under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional”, or, under a subjectivist Pope who has no possible understanding of objective Catholic Tradition. Such is the power of seduction, increasing all the time, of the subjectivist world around us. The madness of subjectivism has become so normal, so widespread, that few people notice it any longer. “Our help is in the name of the Lord.”
Kyrie eleison.
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Number CCLVI (256) 9 June 2012
ARCHBISHOP SPEAKS
Until Archbishop Lefebvre finally decided to consecrate bishops for the Society of St Pius X in June of 1988, he was, like all Catholics since Vatican II, torn between the Catholic Truth and Catholic Authority that that Council, following the modern world, had split from one another. However, once he had taken that decision, which proved clearly to have been the saving of Catholic Tradition, it was as though everything in his mind dropped back into place, and he never again wavered until his death some two and a half years later.
As an example of his clear mind, here is a letter that he wrote on August 18, 1988, to Dom Thomas Aquinas, the young Prior of the monastery in Brazil which had been founded from the Traditional Benedictine monastery in the south of France, le Barroux, under Dom Gerard. Alas, within days of the consecrations in Econe, Dom Gerard had broken with the SSPX in order to integrate his monastery into the Conciliar Church. Here is what the Archbishop wrote to Dom Thomas:--
“How I regret that you had to leave before the events of le Barroux (i.e. Dom Gerard’s defection). It would have been easier to consider the situation resulting from Dom Gerard’s disastrous decision.
“In his declaration he lays out what has been granted to him, and he accepts to put himself under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional. That is what made me keep my distance. At the same time he wished to retain the friendship and support of Traditionalists, which is inconceivable. He accuses us of resisting for the sake of resisting. I did warn him, but his decision had already long been taken, and he did not want to heed our advice.
“The consequences are now inevitable. But we will have no further relations with le Barroux, and we are advising our faithful to give no more support to an operation which is henceforth in the hands of our enemies, the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of his Universal Kingship. The Benedictine Sisters (attached to le Barroux) are in great distress. They came to see me. I gave to them the advice that I give to you: remain free, and reject any tie with this modernist Rome.
“Dom Gerard is using every argument to paralyze the resistance. (-) Fr. Tam will tell you what I have not written down here. (-) May God bless you and your monastery. Mons Marcel Lefebvre.”
Subsequently Dom Gerard visited the monastery in Brazil to make it follow him into the Newchurch, but young Dom Thomas bravely stood his ground, and the monastery under his guidance has remained Traditional ever since. What does not appear in the letter above is that the Archbishop actually encouraged Dom Thomas to rally the faithful monks in le Barroux, and eject Dom Gerard !
Such was the Archbishop’s clear mind and will from the Episcopal consecrations onwards. One wonders how some of his sons can now be wanting to put themselves “under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional”, or, under a subjectivist Pope who has no possible understanding of objective Catholic Tradition. Such is the power of seduction, increasing all the time, of the subjectivist world around us. The madness of subjectivism has become so normal, so widespread, that few people notice it any longer. “Our help is in the name of the Lord.”
Kyrie eleison.
So do it, Bishop Williamson. Lead the ousting of +Fellay and have him dejected. All the Traditionalists in the SSPX need is a leader to rally behind and make it plain to all that the SSPX says no to any agreement with a heretical, modernist and apostate Rome.
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God Bless Bishop Williamson as he continues following the path of Archbishop LeFebvre.
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Richard The Lion-Hearted!
What a man!
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Richard The Lion-Hearted???
Oh my God!!!
Richard Williamsons heart is fulfilled with disloyalty!!!
"Sir Guy of Gisbourne" fits better!
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Richard The Lion-Hearted???
Oh my God!!!
Richard Williamsons heart is fulfilled with disloyalty!!!
"Sir Guy of Gisbourne" fits better!
You have made only 1 post, and in less than 20 words managed to:
1) Take the Lord's name in vain;
2) On a Sunday;
3) Reveal that you seem to have gone through the trouble of registering for the sole purpose of maligning Bishop Williamson;
4) Perhaps become one of the very few to get banned for his initial post?
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Blasphemy is one of the worst Mortal Sins.
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It is very good that you rebuked that, Seraphim.
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Next to Max Krah, Michael van der Laak is one of those "Internet-Germans" who hate Bishop Williamson the most.
Max and Michl don't like each-other. But when it comes to promoting liberalism, Judaizing, or defaming Bishop Williamson, they're working hand in hand. Cads' fighting when ended is soon mended.
God save Bishop Williamson. Great Eleison Comment. Thanks for it.
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Gosh, Ethelred, you are a wealth of knowledge to complement your spirit! You are the antidote to SSPX-style secrecy!
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Number CCLVI (256) 9 June 2012
ARCHBISHOP SPEAKS
Until Archbishop Lefebvre finally decided to consecrate bishops for the Society of St Pius X in June of 1988, he was, like all Catholics since Vatican II, torn between the Catholic Truth and Catholic Authority that that Council, following the modern world, had split from one another. However, once he had taken that decision, which proved clearly to have been the saving of Catholic Tradition, it was as though everything in his mind dropped back into place, and he never again wavered until his death some two and a half years later.
As an example of his clear mind, here is a letter that he wrote on August 18, 1988, to Dom Thomas Aquinas, the young Prior of the monastery in Brazil which had been founded from the Traditional Benedictine monastery in the south of France, le Barroux, under Dom Gerard. Alas, within days of the consecrations in Econe, Dom Gerard had broken with the SSPX in order to integrate his monastery into the Conciliar Church. Here is what the Archbishop wrote to Dom Thomas:--
“How I regret that you had to leave before the events of le Barroux (i.e. Dom Gerard’s defection). It would have been easier to consider the situation resulting from Dom Gerard’s disastrous decision.
“In his declaration he lays out what has been granted to him, and he accepts to put himself under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional. That is what made me keep my distance. At the same time he wished to retain the friendship and support of Traditionalists, which is inconceivable. He accuses us of resisting for the sake of resisting. I did warn him, but his decision had already long been taken, and he did not want to heed our advice.
“The consequences are now inevitable. But we will have no further relations with le Barroux, and we are advising our faithful to give no more support to an operation which is henceforth in the hands of our enemies, the enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of his Universal Kingship. The Benedictine Sisters (attached to le Barroux) are in great distress. They came to see me. I gave to them the advice that I give to you: remain free, and reject any tie with this modernist Rome.
“Dom Gerard is using every argument to paralyze the resistance. (-) Fr. Tam will tell you what I have not written down here. (-) May God bless you and your monastery. Mons Marcel Lefebvre.”
Subsequently Dom Gerard visited the monastery in Brazil to make it follow him into the Newchurch, but young Dom Thomas bravely stood his ground, and the monastery under his guidance has remained Traditional ever since. What does not appear in the letter above is that the Archbishop actually encouraged Dom Thomas to rally the faithful monks in le Barroux, and eject Dom Gerard !
Such was the Archbishop’s clear mind and will from the Episcopal consecrations onwards. One wonders how some of his sons can now be wanting to put themselves “under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional”, or, under a subjectivist Pope who has no possible understanding of objective Catholic Tradition. Such is the power of seduction, increasing all the time, of the subjectivist world around us. The madness of subjectivism has become so normal, so widespread, that few people notice it any longer. “Our help is in the name of the Lord.”
Kyrie eleison.
I find it curious that so much depends on perspective.
For some, when Archbishop Lefebvre made the episcopal consecrations in '88, he committed an act of rebellion to legitimate authority, and that one thing overpowers everything else in their mind, so as to be all-important to them.
That apparently was what happened in the mind of this Dom Gerard. It seems to me that a similar thing was going on in the minds of Catholics who went along with Vatican II and the liturgical changes that came in its wake that gave us the Novus Ordo everything. And it likewise seems to me that this kind of narrow-mindedness is happening today regarding a sense of loyalty to Bishop Fellay, whatever he does or says, when Catholics say that "too many busy-bodies are jumping to conclusions based on rumor and innuendo, for we really don't know what's in the Doctrinal Preamble, and the leaked letters have not been proven to be authentic." These Catholics apparently can't fathom that perhaps +Fellay is making a mistake -- after all, he's been talking up this idea of making a return to Rome for the past 15 years, or more. It's not a new idea, superficially.
I have to admit, that in 1968 I didn't see the problem. I was old enough to know better, but I followed the authority of older Catholics in my life. I had a certain sense of foreboding, but I did not take action based on that sense. In the long run, the sense I had set aside turns out to have been my sensus catholicus.
The same thing happened in 1988, when I heard of the consecrations, I ignored the whole thing out of a loyalty to the judgment of others I knew and respected, without making a decision based on my own judgment.
If Archbishop Lefebvre had been like me, we would not have Catholic Tradition today, in the SSPX. Therefore ABL's example carries on into the future to show what consequence comes of particular choices one makes in life.
Today, as in the lamentable 1960's, if Catholics would use the collection plate as a means of delivering a message, it would have an enormous impact on the governance of our Church. If people had stopped putting in dollars in 1964 when the first wave of changes came in the form of vernacular language, and instead had put in a note explaining how they want no part of a process of change in the liturgy, it could have put the brakes on the whole thing. If they had stood back and said instead, that we really don't know where it all is heading, so let's just be patient and wait and see, by the time the new liturgy showed up, it would have been too late. They would have been slow-cooked in the new ideas over a period of 5 years, during which time they would have become acclimated to the new ways. And so it was.
And so today, if Catholics would band together and give a strong message to the priests in the form of notes in the collection plate, at the first sign of changes coming down the pike, the message would not be unheard. This is why all the secrecy, to forestall any reaction amongst the Faithful. The problem is, the majority of Catholics as with people at large, are followers. To be able to hold firm to one's convictions and avoid being a rebel or a revolutionary is to tread a fine line.
Our example is ABL, and we can well ask, what would he have done?
Superficial perspective is a problem. A refusal to look deeper into a situation can bee a fatal mistake. In this present situation, we cannot lose sight of the doctrinal question without grave disadvantage. When we see +Fellay speaking words of half-concession toward the errors of the Modernist Vatican of today, it really ought to be alarming. We make a serious error by overlooking what should be the obvious and superficially saying that everything's going to be okay, because it could very well come to pass that everything is in fact NOT okay.
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Next to Max Krah, Michael van der Laak is one of those "Internet-Germans" who hate Bishop Williamson the most.
Max and Michl don't like each-other. But when it comes to promoting liberalism, Judaizing, or defaming Bishop Williamson, they're working hand in hand. Cads' fighting when ended is soon mended.
God save Bishop Williamson. Great Eleison Comment. Thanks for it.
He misspelled his name, forgot the "y" -- should have been van der Laaky.
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I find it curious that so much depends on perspective.
For some, when Archbishop Lefebvre made the episcopal consecrations in '88, he committed an act of rebellion to legitimate authority, and that one thing overpowers everything else in their mind, so as to be all-important to them.
That apparently was what happened in the mind of this Dom Gerard. It seems to me that a similar thing was going on in the minds of Catholics who went along with Vatican II and the liturgical changes that came in its wake that gave us the Novus Ordo everything. And it likewise seems to me that this kind of narrow-mindedness is happening today regarding a sense of loyalty to Bishop Fellay, whatever he does or says, when Catholics say that "too many busy-bodies are jumping to conclusions based on rumor and innuendo, for we really don't know what's in the Doctrinal Preamble, and the leaked letters have not been proven to be authentic." These Catholics apparently can't fathom that perhaps +Fellay is making a mistake -- after all, he's been talking up this idea of making a return to Rome for the past 15 years, or more. It's not a new idea, superficially.
I have to admit, that in 1968 I didn't see the problem. I was old enough to know better, but I followed the authority of older Catholics in my life. I had a certain sense of foreboding, but I did not take action based on that sense. In the long run, the sense I had set aside turns out to have been my sensus catholicus.
The same thing happened in 1988, when I heard of the consecrations, I ignored the whole thing out of a loyalty to the judgment of others I knew and respected, without making a decision based on my own judgment.
If Archbishop Lefebvre had been like me, we would not have Catholic Tradition today, in the SSPX. Therefore ABL's example carries on into the future to show what consequence comes of particular choices one makes in life.
Today, as in the lamentable 1960's, if Catholics would use the collection plate as a means of delivering a message, it would have an enormous impact on the governance of our Church. If people had stopped putting in dollars in 1964 when the first wave of changes came in the form of vernacular language, and instead had put in a note explaining how they want no part of a process of change in the liturgy, it could have put the brakes on the whole thing. If they had stood back and said instead, that we really don't know where it all is heading, so let's just be patient and wait and see, by the time the new liturgy showed up, it would have been too late. They would have been slow-cooked in the new ideas over a period of 5 years, during which time they would have become acclimated to the new ways. And so it was.
And so today, if Catholics would band together and give a strong message to the priests in the form of notes in the collection plate, at the first sign of changes coming down the pike, the message would not be unheard. This is why all the secrecy, to forestall any reaction amongst the Faithful. The problem is, the majority of Catholics as with people at large, are followers. To be able to hold firm to one's convictions and avoid being a rebel or a revolutionary is to tread a fine line.
Our example is ABL, and we can well ask, what would he have done?
Superficial perspective is a problem. A refusal to look deeper into a situation can bee a fatal mistake. In this present situation, we cannot lose sight of the doctrinal question without grave disadvantage. When we see +Fellay speaking words of half-concession toward the errors of the Modernist Vatican of today, it really ought to be alarming. We make a serious error by overlooking what should be the obvious and superficially saying that everything's going to be okay, because it could very well come to pass that everything is in fact NOT okay.
:applause: Great post, Neil!... couldn't agree more; the parallels are striking.
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So do it, Bishop Williamson. Lead the ousting of +Fellay and have him dejected. All the Traditionalists in the SSPX need is a leader to rally behind and make it plain to all that the SSPX says no to any agreement with a heretical, modernist and apostate Rome.
Hear! Hear!... It is my fervent prayer that +Fellay will be deposed.
What does not appear in the letter above is that the Archbishop actually encouraged Dom Thomas to rally the faithful monks in le Barroux, and eject Dom Gerard !
May the faithful sons of ABL hear his voice and fight this take over!
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So do it, Bishop Williamson. Lead the ousting of +Fellay and have him dejected. All the Traditionalists in the SSPX need is a leader to rally behind and make it plain to all that the SSPX says no to any agreement with a heretical, modernist and apostate Rome.
Hear! Hear!... It is my fervent prayer that +Fellay will be deposed.
What does not appear in the letter above is that the Archbishop actually encouraged Dom Thomas to rally the faithful monks in le Barroux, and eject Dom Gerard !
May the faithful sons of ABL hear his voice and fight this take over!
AMEN! :applause:
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So do it, Bishop Williamson. Lead the ousting of +Fellay and have him dejected. All the Traditionalists in the SSPX need is a leader to rally behind and make it plain to all that the SSPX says no to any agreement with a heretical, modernist and apostate Rome.
Hear! Hear!... It is my fervent prayer that +Fellay will be deposed.
What does not appear in the letter above is that the Archbishop actually encouraged Dom Thomas to rally the faithful monks in le Barroux, and eject Dom Gerard !
May the faithful sons of ABL hear his voice and fight this take over!
It's really the logical conclusion when we dare to put all the pieces together, that what is for the good of the Society right now, and for the good of the Church in general, is for +Fellay to be deposed. This may be what is in the works, but the defenders of Tradition are given reassurance when we let them know we support their courageous efforts, and that we're praying with this intention.
What, pray tell, could happen if we all ADD TO OUR ROSARY CRUSADE INTENTION the fervent prayer that +Fellay will be deposed? I shouldn't have to assure you that's something that Fr. Rostand isn't going to disseminate in his e-mail "updates!"
Bishop Williamson might like to be more outspoken regarding this, but he is practicing prudence by not spelling it out at this time. Giving the example of Dom Gerard is as close as he dares to go, and some may criticize him for even that much.
The Chapter meeting that was announced for this month by +Fellay (at the halfway point of his 12-year term as Superior General of the SSPX) was evidently a target date toward which he was aiming, to use the Chapter for the purpose of announcing the new DEAL that he would have achieved by now. Who knows where we might be by this time if it had not been for the circulation of the "leaked letters" over the past few months?
Now that "the cat's out of the bag," as it were, he's taking the daring step to postpone the Chapter, for it might well be that it could backfire against him and morph into the Depose-Fellay-Fest that he may most intensely dread.
Still, there is a vice clamping down on the minds of so many good Catholics, some of whom are not regulars at SSPX parishes, keeping them in the box, making them think it's sinful to even read about what others are saying, and abstaining from any discussion on what is said to be the internal matters of the Society; for it's not our place, and we should "suspend judgment."
Suspend judgment -- how many times has that refrain been used for the excuse to not be what a fervent Catholic should be in the face of dangers to the faith?
Is that what the ancient Roman martyrs did when they were commanded to burn incense at the altars of false gods -- suspend judgment?
Is that what the Blessed Virgin Mary did for 9 days after Our Lord's Ascension into heaven -- suspend judgment?
Is that what St. Joseph did when he received the "private revelation" to take his Family and flee to Egypt when the regicidal Herod had decided to send his troops into Bethlehem to slaughter the innocents -- suspend judgment?
Is that what St. John Fisher did when the apostate King of England (through his messengers) told him that all the other bishops of England had captiulated -- suspend judgment?
This is not time to suspend judgment. It's time to practice the virtue of fidelity to Catholic Tradition, and to uphold the truth.
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Neil, is the Chapter meeting suspended? I thought it was back on.
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Neil, is the Chapter meeting suspended? I thought it was back on.
It is on.
...and...
WAR IS ON.
(Brave Fr. Chazal, God bless you.)