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    Number CCCLV (355)   3rd May 2014

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    FAREWELL, SSPX.
    Bad news from France : the 40-year fight for the Faith by the Society of St Pius X against the modernists in Rome is virtually over. Oh, the Society's priories, schools, seminaries and associated convents and monasteries will continue to function, to provide for at least a while valid sacraments and decent doctrine, maintaining all the appearances of Tradition, but the essential fight for the complete Faith will be censored, or self-censored, out of existence. It looks like being only a limited number of priests more that will have the understanding of Archbishop Lefebvre's work and the necessary courage to break ranks and take to the hills.

    The news is that the modernists in Rome are offering to the Society a « recognition by tolerance » without the need for any formal agreement or signed document such as raised within the SSPX so much opposition to a deal with Rome in the spring and early summer of 2012. Here is the essence of how the Society's Second Assistant, Fr. Alain Nély, expressed it, with enthusiasm, to two members of religious Orders three months ago : « The solution for the SSPX will be its unilateral recognition by Rome...we will not be asked to sign anything...to see how things evolve...we shall see. »

    To prevent such a revelation from spreading, the Society's Superior General wrote to the two religious concerned that they had misunderstood Fr. Nély's remarks because there was no kind of « agreement » in view. Of course not. Therein lies the cunning of the proposed « recognition » without signature. It will allow numbers of SSPX priests to pretend that nothing will have changed so that they can continue their ministry just as before. Thus, as reported, Bishop Fellay himself recently told SSPX seminarians in Zaitzkofen : « There is no question of signing any agreement, etc., etc.» However, ten minutes later, « But if Rome proposes a recognition of tolerance for us, that's a different matter, that would be very good. »

    And so there is every likelihood, sooner rather than later, that a large number of SSPX priests will docilely follow their official leaders into the embrace of the loving modernists in Rome, an embrace that will become over time as tight as necessary to stifle any remaining effort to fight against that deadly modernism which is killing off the official Church and putting millions of souls on the path to Hell. In retrospect one may guess that Bishop Fellay has worked skilfully with the Romans towards this embrace for at least the last 15 years. Bishop de Galarreta has seen what is at stake, but has thrown in his lot with Bishop Fellay. Bishop Tissier also sees clearly the deadly threat to the Archbishop's work, but he does not see the need to follow the Archbishop's example of putting the Faith before all normal rules of obedience and unity.


    And so, dear friends, if we wish to keep the fullness of the Faith and help others to do so, we must at least internally take to the hills. Have no fear. Keep a cool head. There is no need to lose heart, or despair. God does not change, and the fight for his cause becomes more glorious than ever. Priests, keep watch, and above all do not deceive yourselves that nothing in the Society is changing. It has already essentially changed. Lay-folk, keep watch also, and pray, and God will give you the leaders and priests of your prayers. In God we trust, and in his Blessed Mother.

    Kyrie eleison.

    Catholics, when you see how Rome fulfils
    A cry for recognition, take to the hills !

     
     
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    ELEISON COMMENTS Number CCCLV (355) May 3 2014 A.D.
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 02:54:05 PM »
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  • So, His Excellency explains Bp. Fellay and newChurch will concoct an under-the-table mutual agreement.  Then the exSPX will minimize controversy and maintain maximum retention of their priests.  

    With the help of Zionist Max Krah, Bp. Fellay will have succeeded in the completely rebranding +ABL's SSPX.

    Through intimidation and propaganda, +ABL's priestly children have had their senses dulled. They lack discernment and are vulnerable to never realizing they've joined the modernists.  :facepalm:

    For the Resistance, it means time to walk away from the exSPX.
    Let's brush-off their heretical dust from our feet.


    Our duty now is to continue to defend the Faith by:


    1. Consecrating more Bishops, Priests and Holy religious.
    2. Openly criticizing the clown pope and his Papal errors.
    3. Pointing out the false doctrines which newChurch promulgates.
    4. Establishing more independent Mass Centers and a stronger Resistance network.
    5. Encouraging others to remain steadfast until the end.





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    ELEISON COMMENTS Number CCCLV (355) May 3 2014 A.D.
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 03:39:28 PM »
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  • This is the key to understanding the current situation in the SSPX.

    On the one hand, +Fellay is saying "there will be no agreement", and other similar things.

    On the other hand, the Neo-SSPX has recently been acting as if an agreement had been signed a few years ago -- i.e., they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    If the solution is to "make a deal without a formal deal" that would explain all the recent actions by +Fellay and his cohorts to transform in the SSPX into a more "Rome-friendly" and "mainstream" organization.

    It explains why he wants a large Seminary in the US, etc.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 03:46:01 PM »
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  • Now will those Resistors still friendly to the SSPX finally break away and quit partaking of their sacraments?

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    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2014, 04:01:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    In Campos, Bishop Rifan concelebrates the Novus Ordo and says that the Novus Ordo is good. The SSPX hasn't fallen that low yet. I expect them to if they make a deal, but not yet.
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    ELEISON COMMENTS Number CCCLV (355) May 3 2014 A.D.
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2014, 05:12:03 PM »
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  • This could be a chastisement for manipulating the Holy Rosary with these fraudulent crusades.

    Our Lady will not be mocked.



    I remember an article recently...

    Saint John Eudes said that when God is angry with His people, He sends them bad priests as a chastisement.

    He warns us that as punishment for man’s sins, God will send us priests who are not according to His own heart, who have a different spirit from that of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord, who have a different heart from that of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

    Another example of how God chastises His people is for them to have their churches and sacred objects destroyed.

    In a beautiful booklet about the Icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help, the Redemptorist Father Benedict D’Orazio explains:

    "When God wishes to make known His displeasure toward a disobedient people, He usually rejects the sacred gifts they have presented to Him and sometimes allows even altars and consecrated images to be taken away or destroyed." [or Congregations?]

    Father points out that this was a punishment that befell “a people who were blinded and hardened by the constant abuse of graces which God has bestowed upon them in rich abundance.”



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    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2014, 05:17:38 PM »
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    Now will those Resistors still friendly to the SSPX finally break away and quit partaking of their sacraments?

    This should had been done a long time ago.  Now if this doesn't do it, nothing will.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2014, 05:59:38 PM »
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  • All this proceeds from shifts in policy implying that contemporary Rome is afterall the authority in the Church and there is no other. The suggestion that the Society is in a state of schism coming from Fr. Angles and others can only lead to backtracking on ABL's act of necessity as the solution. Of course, Menzingen has lost its nerve and sees a different operation within the trad market, an area full of rival players. If the punters are happy with their priests and parishes, a preference for greater stability over prolonged uncertainty will be entertained. The war is over leaving the warriors to battle on elsewhere.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2014, 07:31:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
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    they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    In Campos, Bishop Rifan concelebrates the Novus Ordo and says that the Novus Ordo is good. The SSPX hasn't fallen that low yet. I expect them to if they make a deal, but not yet.


    You're misunderstanding what I said:

    they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    Bishop Rifan certainly did not concelebrate the Novus Ordo right away. I would know; +W gave several conferences about Campos right when it happened. I was a seminarian at the time. If Bishop Rifan had done something like that, I'm sure it would have been at the top of the list.

    So my statement stands.

    I specifically remember +W showing us how Campos immediately started defending Roman documents, etc. after the deal. He explained how it will be hard now to ever resist anything, since they risk losing their deal at every turn. Is this worth losing the deal -- is this worth it? Each given abuse/bad thing will be excused, until they're in deep trouble. Just like the boiling frog.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 03, 2014, 08:22:32 PM »
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    You're misunderstanding what I said:

    You are right. I did misunderstand.
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    they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    In Campos, Bishop Rifan concelebrates the Novus Ordo and says that the Novus Ordo is good. The SSPX hasn't fallen that low yet. I expect them to if they make a deal, but not yet.


    Oh?
    Fellay tells Canizares that the Archbishop Lefebvre would NEVER have consecrated bishops or
    Established seminaries if he (ABL) had only known how reverently the
    (thoroughly) novus ordo mess was said in Milan;

    Fellay says he accepts 95% of the Vaticsn Council-- Campos never said that;
    Fellay has a Novus Ordo Archbishop confirm SSPX children in Paris, France;
    Fellay swears to Ratzinger that he accepts the teachings of all the Vatican II popes;
    Fellay promises to do everything in his power to get the entire SSPX to accept the AFD;
    Fellay tells his henchmen to accept all novus ordo pres-by-ters , without any need of Catholic training in theology or doctrine, and without conditional reordination-- Father Pflugger leads the effort, seconded by Couture, Rostand and others;
    Fellay orders the picture of Francis" the circus has just begun" Bergoglio mounted in all SSPX chapels-- in many it is above that of Francis' polar opposite--Archbishop Lefebvre;
    Fellay pushes the dialogue mass and the liturgical books of Paul Vi, to merge the SSPX into the Ecclesia Dei community.

    Sorry.  Fellay and his cronies have done far more than Campos ever did before they signed a deal.
    So, the handwriting is on the wall: what Pflugger and Nely say is right; what Rostand and LeRoux and Robinson and others have been claiming may be right; the sellout has already occurred; we've already begun to co-habitate; we don't need a formal pre nuptial for this incesstuous marriage; the SSPX and Rome will play nice together-- neither will criticize the other; and we'll have a merger made in hell!



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  • They are already populating the idea that since SSPX is not sedevacantist then they follow the new code of law.
    This was mentioned straight from headquarters here in the US, from the parish level by the administering priest, and by a teacher in one of their schools.
    They are already drilling the idea in the heads of SSPX attendees that only within the SSPX are you non-sede, and if you follow the new code you are not sede, and if you follow the old law you are sede, and unless you follow the new code then you will be sede.
    Enough of their nonsense I say.

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  • If and when a "unilateral recognition from Rome" happens Rome will acknowledge it, and there will be conditions because in order for the SSPX to gain anything there will have to be a lifting of the "suspensions" against the Society's Priests and a recognition that they have a ministry in the Church.

    If you see that, then you will know that the Society did in fact surrender even if the surrender is not revealed to be a stipulation of the recognition. Rome is not going to give the SSPX anything without getting all it wants in return, even if it involves a long process of surrender vs. an immediate act.

    So, if and when any "no-deal", "deal" is made, it should be obvious because the SSPX will be shouting from the housetops that they are finally "in the Church", and Rome will agree in advance of that SSPX declaration or, afterwards either explicitly, or implicitly by not defending their earlier pronouncements to the contrary, but only when the SSPX is finally forced to reveal its compromises.

    I don't see how this, or anything that doesn't involve both sides getting all or most of what they want, can happen somehow invisibly.

    No one can claim that the ship has not been sunk when all observers see that it is finally under the surface. Conversely at that point no rational person will be able to deny it either, even if the Captain has denied every minute while it was sinking that it is not going down.



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    « Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 09:36:51 AM »
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    they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    In Campos, Bishop Rifan concelebrates the Novus Ordo and says that the Novus Ordo is good. The SSPX hasn't fallen that low yet. I expect them to if they make a deal, but not yet.


    You're misunderstanding what I said:

    they are acting JUST LIKE Campos and a half-dozen other groups right after they made a deal with Rome (self-censorship, defense of the current Pope, being more "positive", etc.)

    Bishop Rifan certainly did not concelebrate the Novus Ordo right away. I would know; +W gave several conferences about Campos right when it happened. I was a seminarian at the time. If Bishop Rifan had done something like that, I'm sure it would have been at the top of the list.

    So my statement stands.

    I specifically remember +W showing us how Campos immediately started defending Roman documents, etc. after the deal. He explained how it will be hard now to ever resist anything, since they risk losing their deal at every turn. Is this worth losing the deal -- is this worth it? Each given abuse/bad thing will be excused, until they're in deep trouble. Just like the boiling frog.



    Speaking of the boiling frog, there is a way that NovusOrdo priests today show their cooperation with concelebrations without actually doing it themselves, and that is by being in the sanctuary while two or more other priests stand at the altar.  

    There are two ways they can show this cooperation without actually standing at the altar but by being in the sanctuary, one is by kneeling nearby on a prie-dieu as Cardinal Mahony is wont to do lately, and another is by standing off to the side, not unlike Saul of Tarsus did at the stoning of St. Stephen, and they typically face the altar giving the congregation their left profile, while they hold out their right hand in front of them looking like they're about to shake someone's hand (even though there is no one there with whom they can shake hands).  



    +Fellay has already practiced yet a third way of showing his approval of concelebrations and that is by his stating that he saw an impressive Newmass done in Latin (whether it was concelebrated or not is irrelevant) and then later told Cardinal Canizares that if ABL had seen the Nemass done that well, ABL might not have taken the step he did (what step?  consecrating 4 bishops without Rome's approval, most likely, since that was his biggest "step").

    Then, to add insult to injury he dares to claim that he never told Canizares that at all.  

    Therefore, instead of concelebrating himself with the NovusOrdo pres-by-ters, +F manages to do just as much damage to the cause of ABL without even having to be a stand-off guy like Saul of Tarsus at the stoning of St. Stephen, and he does this by two things.  First, he ambiguously peeks in at a Latin Newmass somewhere (perhaps without anyone noticing him being there) and tells Canizares it was totally cool and nifty (not his words), and second, by denying that any of this happened.  





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    « Reply #14 on: May 04, 2014, 09:59:36 AM »
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    This is why, even though I cannot in principle agree wholeheartedly with sedes, nonetheless I am sympathetic to their cause and to the fact they have made the leap that distinguishes them -- they have the courage of their convictions, and they are not to be shorted on that account.  They suffer the cultish derision of Fellayites and their ilk incessantly.  And this is what Fellayites have learned from their association with Newchurchers because that is what Novordiens feel and practice toward trads as a whole -- we have become outcasts.  


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    They are already populating the idea that since SSPX is not sedevacantist then they follow the new code of law.

    This was mentioned straight from headquarters here in the US, from the parish level by the administering priest, and by a teacher in one of their schools.

    They are already drilling the idea in the heads of SSPX attendees that only within the SSPX are you non-sede, and if you follow the new code you are not sede, and if you follow the old law you are sede, and unless you follow the new code then you will be sede.

    Enough of their nonsense I say.



    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be opposed to the Newcode of Canon Law, one becomes sede.  

    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be opposed to Vat.II, one becomes sede.

    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be opposed to the Newmass, one becomes sede.

    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be opposed to anything the XSPX does, one becomes sede.

    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be opposed to cohabitation with Modernists, one becomes sede.

    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be opposed to chumminess with unconverted Rome or being opposed to anyone else who likes the idea of chumminess with unconverted Rome (cf. Rom. i. 32), one becomes sede.

    By innuendo and suggestion they're promoting the false doctrine that to be in any way standoffish to anything having to do with Newchruch per se, that is, as a matter of principle because Newchurch is NOT CATHOLIC, one becomes sede.  

    THERE ARE MORE EXAMPLES....

    But it is by the PROFUSION of such false teachings in practice and incessantly rolling around in the minds of the pew-sitters and collection plate contributors and sermon listeners that these good Catholics are being SLOW COOKED LIKE A FROG.  For anyone who stands up to this process and calls FOUL is a nut-case Resistance idiot, a fluke, a wierdo, a contemptible outsider, in other words, a sedevacantist (this word has to be muttered with a sneer in the voice, not unlike how Jews say the name of Jesus Christ).  


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