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Offline Matthew

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Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2020, 01:12:02 PM »
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"other compromising clerics (even those who are unfaithful in "small matters") who can lead the faithful, even the traditional faithful little by little away from the faith."

And who's to say when a cleric has "compromised"?

I'll tell you one red flag: when you've left yourself with NO options for Mass. That's a dogmatic home-aloner. Accidental home-aloners (i.e., "there doesn't happen to be a good Tridentine Mass option within driving distance for me") have Masses they WOULD happily attend if they owned a Star Trek-style transporter device, and could beam anywhere on Earth on Sunday morning with their whole family.

For dogmatic Home Aloners, even a Star Trek transporter ("beam me up") wouldn't be of any help -- because they've eliminated all Trad groups as possibilities. They consider them all to be "compromised".

Either that is an error, or it isn't. I hold that such is an error, on the grounds that A) the end of the world isn't yet -- it's not THAT BAD yet, and B) the Church is supposed to exist, in visible form, until the End of the World. These dogmatic home aloners, and yes, that includes Mr. Pfeiffer (If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and smells like a duck, IT IS A DUCK) are basically DENYING this dogma of the Faith -- which makes them heretics.

Allowing Trads latitude in reacting to the Crisis in the Church is one thing. But there are paths which are NOT VALID OPTIONS: starting a new religion, declaring yourself Pope, denying the Catholic Church, going into heresy, etc. Sorry, these erroneous paths are not the same as choosing which Trad group you prefer, as the safest option to park your soul during this Crisis in the Church. It's not "anything goes". There are limits to what a Catholic can PRUDENTLY, MORALLY do to react to this Crisis.

Dogmatic home aloners are dangerous to Trads, and heretics in my opinion. And as I'm convinced of that truth, I can't in conscience allow such dangerous (potentially convincing to Trads) errors to be promoted on my forum.

You speak quite highly of Mr. Pfeiffer. You are convinced he is a good man. Well, I'm sure Pope Michael has a lot to recommend him as well -- he probably has some strong Catholic beliefs, and he seems willing to suffer embarrassment for the Faith, right? I'm sure his "encyclicals" are quite solid doctrinally, and don't have any Modernism in them. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want him sowing confusion and division on a site like CathInfo, since he has obviously -- objectively speaking -- gone off the deep end. The same for Mr. Pfeiffer. His position ("there are no valid or legitimate options for a Catholic to attend Mass in 2020") is NOT legitimate or good for Traditional Catholics. I can't in conscience allow such evils to be spread on my forum.

I let you say your piece, and so now it's time to lock this thread.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2020, 01:24:20 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on November 19, 2020, 07:48:37 AM
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*Dogmatic home-aloner is defined as: a Catholic who says there are dogmatic reasons why one must stay at home on Sunday, avoiding *all* priests, bishops, and groups -- even Tridentine Masses. A Traditional Catholic who has no good option for Mass on all/most Sundays is an accidental home-aloner. It's the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage!

Another definition: "There are 10 Catholics left in the world, including me."



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Let's be fair.  Let's be honest.  The great irony here is that John Pfeiffer, the individual behind Catholic Candle is not a "dogmatic home aloner" according to either of the two definitions you have provided.

Oh I'm all about fair and honest. Honest might as well be my middle name.

By dogmatic reasons I mean: a Catholic has eliminated all Trad groups, one by one, for this or that DOGMATIC reason. "He has compromised in this, he is inadequate for that reason." And so for various REASONS -- not just geography -- one has systematically eliminated all but maybe 1 or 2 priests, who happen to live on the other side of the world. That is a dogmatic home aloner.

If you support the Resistance (for example) and there doesn't happen to be a Mass in your area due to lack of priests -- that isn't dogmatic, that is being home alone accidentally.
After all, you basically support the popular SSPX position, but the SSPX fell, and now due to lack of priests only a few areas get Mass from one of the faithful ex-SSPX priests. That is NOT being picky, that is being faithful and prudent!

The same for if you support some other group. If that group doesn't happen to be in your area, you are without Mass by no fault of your own.

But when you systematically eliminate each group/chapel, usually for an objective reason -- most involving dogma -- that is the essence of a dogmatic home aloner.

As an aside, you also have to have a *position* you hold -- not just a single priest. If you believe that only one or two priests are faithful -- that is too small to be the Catholic Church. That is a cult of personality, not a chosen position on the Crisis.