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Re: Eleison Comments - Menzingen’s Mistake (no. 521)
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2017, 09:44:41 PM »
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  • J Paul: 
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    Reducing the apostasy of the conciliar church and the so called crisis within the Catholic Church to what is termed, a "mental sickness" is at best, a misnomer and a highly inaccurate.  It is a term which assigns no responsibility to those who have willfully departed from the Truth,and the Religion.

    I have to agree.  Mental sickness does not really describe the situation.

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    « Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 05:51:12 PM »
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  • I dare say the 'sickness' according to the bishop's historical schema started to take hold at the time of the Reformation and Rome bit by bit has been affected ...without being aware of it. Of course the patient now pursues a path away from the Church while 'objectively' bearing a responsibility that is routinely 'subjectively' relinquished. And within this get out of jail free concept of subjectivity, we have to accept all those Ratzinger manipulations and an unfolding programme of honest Bergoglio innovations as further manifestations of this excusable sickness. Is there a point when the condition is incurable and the death of the patient is to be welcomed? Because this bedside manner has become somewhat tedious and a little boring .....


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Menzingen’s Mistake (no. 521)
    « Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 08:55:51 PM »
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    Is there a point when the condition is incurable and the death of the patient is to be welcomed? Because this bedside manner has become somewhat tedious and a little boring .....

    Yes, the patient just keeps lingering.  Maybe it's time to take New Church off life supports, to pull the plug, to remove the tubes, to call the coroner, to accept the inevitable.  Bergoglio, (the pope?)(our pope?)(anybody's pope?)(precursor of anti-Christ?) Wow!  The man is crazier than Maxine Waters.  He just told an Italian paper that the US needs to relinquish its sovereignty and come under a world government.  Please, please, give us one last real pope who will consecrate Russia!....or maybe we should just become Orthodox.  At least they don't have to pretend that there is a pope, when, in fact, there might not be.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Menzingen’s Mistake (no. 521)
    « Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 09:55:20 AM »
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  • Wessex,
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    Of course the patient now pursues a path away from the Church while 'objectively' bearing a responsibility that is routinely 'subjectively' relinquished. And within this get out of jail free concept of subjectivity, we have to accept all those Ratzinger manipulations and an unfolding programme of honest Bergoglio innovations as further manifestations of this excusable sickness.
    This is an accurate diagnosis and the escape mechanism of subjectivisim and ignorance are a common theme of the SSPX, and the Bishop's weekly musings.  Frankly speaking, the patients are long since cadavers which expired when the Truth of Faith became diminished. Departing from but one point, one is guilty of all. That is what the Church says. The Bishop and the Society, on the other hand have argued that one or another subjective consideration has overruled that judgement so that the pronouncement of decease is held in abeyance. This is the magic of the R&R doctrine.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Menzingen’s Mistake (no. 521)
    « Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 10:37:28 AM »
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  •  This is the magic of the R&R doctrine. 
    Reminds me of the horrendous policy of R&R ("rest & recuperation) during the Vietnam War  So many if they hadn't fallen into mortal sin in Vietnam -- perhaps, nothing short of a small miracle -- would almost surely have fallen into mortal sin during their week long R & R in Taipei, Bangkok, or Sydney.


     

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