But what of these fruits?Ah yes, more soldiers to fulfill the visionaries predictions of a Divine role to save the Church.
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17 new priests ordained at the new SSPX showpiece, Virginia seminary
What does this growth and these apparent temporal blessings mean?
Since the German Zionist attorney/politician, Maximilian Krah admitted in a Remnant news interview,
his Jaidhoff trust donations would help fund the seminary.
Is this good, bad or tainted fruit?
Do they represent hijacked neo-tradition, willing to compromise with 95% of the Council to gain acceptance with the mainstream modernists ?
Nea.
I submit that accepting 1% of the Council means you are poisoned and though your leaves are green, your tree will bear no good fruit.
It doesn't matter if you own a metric ton of incense and have 1,000 men in long cassocks.
You are the walking dead because of your compromise against the true Faith.
When all men mean well, how know good from bad?As a premise for discernment, presuming that all men are of good will is illogical.
By watching where fruits truly good are had.
Yes, under the leadership of the one Catholic bishop worldwide who from the beginning repudiated openly the Council and all its works, Archbishop Lefebvre.Sorry, this is not a true or accurate statement. Antonio Casrto Myer was the one Bishop who repudiated the council and its issue. He did not sign any of the docuмents,(that is repudiation from the beginning).
But what of these fruits?To extend the metaphor of fruits, trees, leaves and poison...indeed the leaves are green, for now poison ivy grows where once something wholesome did; Athelas/Kingsfoil, that is, this world's version thereof.
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17 new priests ordained at the new SSPX showpiece, Virginia seminary
What does this growth and these apparent temporal blessings mean?
Since the German Zionist attorney/politician, Maximilian Krah admitted in a Remnant news interview,
his Jaidhoff trust donations would help fund the seminary.
Is this good, bad or tainted fruit?
Do they represent hijacked neo-tradition, willing to compromise with 95% of the Council to gain acceptance with the mainstream modernists ?
Nea.
I submit that accepting 1% of the Council means you are poisoned and though your leaves are green, your tree will bear no good fruit.
It doesn't matter if you own a metric ton of incense and have 1,000 men in long cassocks.
You are the walking dead because of your compromise against the true Faith.
J Paul: On the other hand the Archbishop signed all of the docuмents, and his condemnation was not complete, but selective and conditional with both the council and the New Mass as it remains with his progeny today. To embellish his actions needlessly diminishes his legacy of his good efforts on the Church's behalf.
It may be of some interest to recall a certain passage taken from Archbishop Lefebvre's Consecration sermon on 30 June 1988: "Just recently, the priest who takes care of the priory of Bogota, Colombia, brought me a book concerning the apparition of Our Lady of "Buon Suceso," - of "Good Fortune," to whom a large church in Quito, Ecuador, was dedicated. They were received by a nun shortly after the Council of Trent, so you see, quite a few centuries ago. This apparition is thoroughly recognized by Rome and the ecclesiastical authorities; a magnificent church was built for the Blessed Virgin Mary wherein the faithful of Ecuador venerate with great devotion a picture of Our Lady, whose face was made miraculously. The artist was in the process of painting it when he found the face of the Holy Virgin miraculously formed. And Our Lady prophesied for the twentieth century, saying explicitly that during the nineteenth century and most of the twentieth century, errors would become more and more widespread in Holy Church, placing the Church in a catastrophic situation. Morals would become corrupt and the Faith would disappear. It seems impossible not to see it happening today.Thanks for bringing this to light to help keep things on an even keel... it's easy for us now in this period of time, to criticize, hind sight is 20/20, they say... the archbishop was sailing uncharted waters, period...
I excuse myself for continuing this account of the apparition but she speaks of a prelate who will absolutely oppose this wave of apostasy and impiety - saving the priesthood by forming good priests. I do not say that prophecy refers to me. You may draw your own conclusions. I was stupefied when reading these lines but I cannot deny them, since they are recorded and deposited in the archives of this apparition.
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Sir, you are 100% spot on. How right you are! ABL's waffling helps explain the deplorable situation, as we find it today in the SSPX. The purblind followers of Fellay are the unfortunate legatees of a mixed Lefebvrian message, IMO. Yet Lefebvrism, even in its halcyon days, could never have been the ultimate path to the Church's eventual restortion.
Our Lady made the solution quite clear to Sr. Lucy 60 years ago, and it did not necessarily include the restoration of the True Mass and the traditional priesthood.
She informed Sr. Lucy that there are two "last remedies." If these two "last remedies" are not observed and strictly adhered to, there remain no others. They are basically two 1) Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and 2) the Holy Rosary. So emphatic was Our Lady that She warned quite solemnly in the words of Fr. Augustin Fuentes:
"If you despise and repulse this ultimate means, (i.e. the two last remedies), we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven because we will have committed a sin which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Spirit...."
What has he (Francis) had to say about devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? I don't know, but I'm afraid to ask.
I think the reason why is that whereas the Sacred Heart of Jesus was traditionally a symbol of combativity and militancy for Christendom, Divine Mercy represents happy, unconditional "mercy" towards sinners (without justice). It explains the drastic changes in approach between pre & post Vatican II Catholicism. Sacred Heart of Jesus is militant in spirit and used in all counter-revolutionary movements since the time it was revealed to St. Margaret Mary back the 17th century; but the whole Divine Mercy devotion does not represent the Catholic spirit at all. "The Catholic spirit is one of making constant reparation in penance for our sins, of praying for the graces of God, for the mercy of God in this life".
Novus Ordo to a great degree has replaced the Sacred Heart and St. Margaret Mary with Divine Mercy (image of Divine Mercy shows no heart) and Faustina.
I think the reason why is that whereas the Sacred Heart of Jesus was traditionally a symbol of combativity and militancy for Christendom, Divine Mercy represents happy, unconditional "mercy" towards sinners (without justice). It explains the drastic changes in approach between pre & post Vatican II Catholicism. Sacred Heart of Jesus is militant in spirit and used in all counter-revolutionary movements since the time it was revealed to St. Margaret Mary back the 17th century; but the whole Divine Mercy devotion does not represent the Catholic spirit at all. "The Catholic spirit is one of making constant reparation in penance for our sins, of praying for the graces of God, for the mercy of God in this life".Notice that in this modern fantasy, there is nothing for you to see as far as having to look upon the wounded heart of our Lord which was the price for this great mercy unto men. No, all that we see is the great outpouring of mercy which demands nothing from us, not even the contemplation of Christ's suffering as the greatest of mercies. The conciliar religion is a one way handout from God to men, a type of divine welfare system.
TIA has a great article contrasting the two devotions here: http://www.traditioninaction.org/polemics/F_07_DM_01.htm
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"A typical Divine Mercy image remindful of a whirling dervish"
A certain pope appears to have had a great liking for Faustina.
Beatified By: Pope John Paul II on April 18, 1993
Canonized By: Pope John Paul II on April 30, 2000
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And now for the "rest of the story" or rather a critique of her diary: http://www.mycatholicsource.com/mcs/ua/user_article-faustinas_divine_mercy_devotion.htm#Start (http://www.mycatholicsource.com/mcs/ua/user_article-faustinas_divine_mercy_devotion.htm#Start)
Completely contradictory as coming from two different religions.Dead bang right. We cannot accept post V2 beatifications and canonizations precisely because they are not Catholic.
Completely contradictory as coming from two different religions. Pius XII had put Faustina's writtings on the Index because the content would lead Catholics astray. Even during John XXIII's pontificate, the Holy Office issued condemnations of the Divine Mercy writings twice, so why would JPII supported the thrice-condemned devotion?. Today, the Holy Office of the Inquisition is called "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" as to not offend worldly sensitivities and seems quite inept in maintaining the purity of Catholic doctrine.We can see that those with the Catholic sense can and do discern with clarity. After fifty odd years there are not enough gray shadows which can hide the lies from the light of Truth, and the excuse of ambiguity has been rendered useless in denying the truth about the conciliarists intent and motivations.
Dead bang right. We cannot accept post V2 beatifications and canonizations precisely because they are not Catholic.
This R & R script using familiar masonic bogeymen and all those well-meaning Romans would I am sure persuade any young man to run for the hills to retain his sanity. The impression that shadowy enemies of the Church are controlling the actions of bishops and priests against their spiritual will is not a good recommendation for any young man looking for a healthy home to exercise his religious instincts ...... and instinct will be all that is left after doctrine has been reduced to zero and ritual reduced to pantomime. But R & R, a religion for contented nostalgics, must continue to be sold because Econe's emergency was only a temporary matter and that little doctrinal disagreement could in time be traded for something even better than Swiss confection or Rothschild sponsorship.Congratulations on completing your longest post ever.
I am not convinced that Fatima should be the last gasp of a dying tradition. Fatima is all things to all people and seeing groups of bishops hanging around with their photo-shoots would be lost on most. I have a neigbour who likes to visit such places because they are "spiritual" and she is a practising Hindu! I wonder if they read palms there, too. Equally, the idiosyncratic mind of Bp. W has something in common with my visiting Jehova's Witnesses who constantly warn me of the what is about to happen. It says so on their tablets!
But behind the confusion all men are not well-meaning. We could single out Bergoglio but he is a puppet of worldly masters and can be relied upon to give his blessing to a continuing stream of human 'progress' and experimentation. Such are the fruits of a series of reformers whose authority some still grant legitimacy. I would say it passed from them once they intentionally professed a new theology leaving a vacancy in the form of a devolved stewardship detached from modern Rome that many accept.
I am not convinced that Fatima should be the last gasp of a dying tradition. Fatima is all things to all people and seeing groups of bishops hanging around with their photo-shoots would be lost on most.
But R & R, a religion for contented nostalgics, must continue to be sold because Econe's emergency was only a temporary matter and that little doctrinal disagreement could in time be traded for something even better than Swiss confection or Rothschild sponsorship.Yes it is now mostly form without the substance. Fatima is what it is, a prophetic warning of how we might forego some of the deserved punishments that are a part of Holy writ, but it was ignored by the princes of the Church and so the evil times have overtaken us and the events which are foretold in the Gospel must conclude in their own way according to God's will.
..I think the reason why is that whereas the Sacred Heart of Jesus was traditionally a symbol of combativity and militancy for Christendom, Divine Mercy represents happy, unconditional "mercy" towards sinners (without justice). It explains the drastic changes in approach between pre & post Vatican II Catholicism. Sacred Heart of Jesus is militant in spirit and used in all counter-revolutionary movements since the time it was revealed to St. Margaret Mary back the 17th century; but the whole Divine Mercy devotion does not represent the Catholic spirit at all. "The Catholic spirit is one of making constant reparation in penance for our sins, of praying for the graces of God, for the mercy of God in this life"..
TIA has a great article contrasting the two devotions here: http://www.traditioninaction.org/polemics/F_07_DM_01.htm
(https://catholicwideweb.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/divinemercy.jpg)
"A typical Divine Mercy image remindful of a whirling dervish"
Notice that in this modern fantasy, there is nothing for you to see as far as having to look upon the wounded heart of our Lord which was the price for this great mercy unto men. No, all that we see is the great outpouring of mercy which demands nothing from us, not even the contemplation of Christ's suffering as the greatest of mercies. The conciliar religion is a one way handout from God to men, a type of divine welfare system.
Yeah Kaz, but I feel guilty for the possibility of doubting real saints... like Maximilian Kolbe or St. Katherine Drexel.If there are true saints that have gone to Heaven since the V2 crisis, and one can certainly argue for the possibility, I do not see why they cannot be officially included in the feast of All Saints, until such time as Rome is once again Catholic. We live in Hope.(not the town in British Columbia mind! ;))
The sinister removal of the Church's traditional devils' advocate investigation process proves how great the modernist sacrilege is.
I've heard from a Catholic scholar, what I thought was a good piece of advise:
"That we can pray for intercession from the Saint and should remain hopeful of their Canonization".
Here, I think we have to apply some Catholic common sense: JPII, Paul VI, John XXIII, Escriva... no way.
Their modernists actions and controversies were too great to have bypassed the investigation process.