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Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 01:05:40 PM »

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J Paul: On the other hand the Archbishop signed all of the docuмents, and his condemnation was not complete, but selective and conditional with both the council and the New Mass as it remains with his progeny today. To embellish his actions needlessly diminishes his legacy of  his good efforts on the Church's behalf.


Sir, you are 100% spot on.  How right you are!  ABL's waffling helps explain the deplorable situation, as we find it today in the SSPX.  The purblind followers of Fellay are the unfortunate legatees of a mixed Lefebvrian message, IMO.  Yet Lefebvrism, even in its halcyon days, could never have been the ultimate path to the Church's eventual restortion.  
Our Lady made the solution quite clear to Sr. Lucy 60 years ago, and it did not necessarily include the restoration of the True Mass and the traditional priesthood. 
She informed Sr. Lucy that there are two "last remedies."  If these two "last remedies" are not observed and strictly adhered to, there remain no others.  They are basically two 1) Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and 2)the Holy Rosary.  So emphatic was Our Lady that She warned quite solemnly in the words of Fr. Augustin Fuentes:
"If you despise and repulse this ultimate means, (i.e. the two last remedies), we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven because we will have committed a sin which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Spirit...."

Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 07:48:51 PM »

It may be of some interest to recall a certain passage taken from Archbishop Lefebvre's Consecration sermon on 30 June 1988: "Just recently, the priest who takes care of the priory of Bogota, Colombia, brought me a book concerning the apparition of Our Lady of "Buon Suceso," - of "Good Fortune," to whom a large church in Quito, Ecuador, was dedicated. They were received by a nun shortly after the Council of Trent, so you see, quite a few centuries ago. This apparition is thoroughly recognized by Rome and the ecclesiastical authorities; a magnificent church was built for the Blessed Virgin Mary wherein the faithful of Ecuador venerate with great devotion a picture of Our Lady, whose face was made miraculously. The artist was in the process of painting it when he found the face of the Holy Virgin miraculously formed. And Our Lady prophesied for the twentieth century, saying explicitly that during the nineteenth century and most of the twentieth century, errors would become more and more widespread in Holy Church, placing the Church in a catastrophic situation. Morals would become corrupt and the Faith would disappear. It seems impossible not to see it happening today.
I excuse myself for continuing this account of the apparition but she speaks of a prelate who will absolutely oppose this wave of apostasy and impiety - saving the priesthood by forming good priests. I do not say that prophecy refers to me. You may draw your own conclusions. I was stupefied when reading these lines but I cannot deny them, since they are recorded and deposited in the archives of this apparition.


Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 08:36:25 PM »
It may be of some interest to recall a certain passage taken from Archbishop Lefebvre's Consecration sermon on 30 June 1988: "Just recently, the priest who takes care of the priory of Bogota, Colombia, brought me a book concerning the apparition of Our Lady of "Buon Suceso," - of "Good Fortune," to whom a large church in Quito, Ecuador, was dedicated. They were received by a nun shortly after the Council of Trent, so you see, quite a few centuries ago. This apparition is thoroughly recognized by Rome and the ecclesiastical authorities; a magnificent church was built for the Blessed Virgin Mary wherein the faithful of Ecuador venerate with great devotion a picture of Our Lady, whose face was made miraculously. The artist was in the process of painting it when he found the face of the Holy Virgin miraculously formed. And Our Lady prophesied for the twentieth century, saying explicitly that during the nineteenth century and most of the twentieth century, errors would become more and more widespread in Holy Church, placing the Church in a catastrophic situation. Morals would become corrupt and the Faith would disappear. It seems impossible not to see it happening today.
I excuse myself for continuing this account of the apparition but she speaks of a prelate who will absolutely oppose this wave of apostasy and impiety - saving the priesthood by forming good priests. I do not say that prophecy refers to me. You may draw your own conclusions. I was stupefied when reading these lines but I cannot deny them, since they are recorded and deposited in the archives of this apparition.
Thanks for bringing this to light to help keep things on an even keel... it's easy for us now in this period of time, to criticize, hind sight is 20/20, they say... the archbishop was sailing uncharted waters, period...

Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2017, 10:26:02 PM »

Sir, you are 100% spot on.  How right you are!  ABL's waffling helps explain the deplorable situation, as we find it today in the SSPX.  The purblind followers of Fellay are the unfortunate legatees of a mixed Lefebvrian message, IMO.  Yet Lefebvrism, even in its halcyon days, could never have been the ultimate path to the Church's eventual restortion.  

Our Lady made the solution quite clear to Sr. Lucy 60 years ago, and it did not necessarily include the restoration of the True Mass and the traditional priesthood.  

She informed Sr. Lucy that there are two "last remedies."  If these two "last remedies" are not observed and strictly adhered to, there remain no others.  They are basically two 1) Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and 2) the Holy Rosary.  So emphatic was Our Lady that She warned quite solemnly in the words of Fr. Augustin Fuentes:

"If you despise and repulse this ultimate means, (i.e. the two last remedies), we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven because we will have committed a sin which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Spirit...."
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This reminds me of how to view the behavior of "bishop of Rome, Francis" in this regard. 
What does he have to say about the Rosary? By his fruits we should know him.
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"Pickle-pepper-faced, neo-Pelagian, Creed reciting, Rosary counting, parrot Christians?" 
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What has he had to say about devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? I don't know, but I'm afraid to ask.
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Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2017, 11:27:59 PM »
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What has he (Francis) had to say about devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? I don't know, but I'm afraid to ask.

Forget Francis.  How many sspx priests; how many traditional priests from other traditional Catholic venues have endorsed or reinforced Our Lady's "two last remedies to the world," as conveyed by Sr. Lucy to the faithful through Fr. Fuentes in 1957?  I don't mean to imply that traditional priests don't really love Mary or that they are not truly devoted to her- simply that devotion to Her Immaculate Heart and the Holy Rosary do not form the basis, generally, of their homiletic discourse.  They do not constitute the ultimate solution to the Church's apostasy.  If I am wrong, I invite correction.  These last two means are not generally put forward as final "remedies," to which no others will be added.  Bp. Williamson seems to come the closest to doing this in our experience and in our opinion.