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Offline hollingsworth

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Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
« Reply #90 on: September 29, 2013, 03:33:38 PM »
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  • the Recusant:
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    The way I see it, the SSPX I used to support no longer exists. I am against Vatican II. The XSPX isn't. Knowing what I know (which doubtless you know too) concerning the change in doctrine, etc., it would be wrong for me to continue to support it. For me to attend Mass there would be supporting it.  If I continued to support it, it would only be for less than worthy motives, and I would deserve to lose my soul when I die.

    Does that make sufficient sense?


    Recusant does not mince his words.  I like that.  But at the same time it makes me a little nervous.  He is against Vatican II.  The SSPX isn't.  Ergo, he can not be associated with SSPX any longer.  Many who remain in SSPX know full well what the real problems with Fellay & Co. are. However, they put Mass attendance above all other considerations.   For them, the thought of being cut off from the Old Mass for a time is unbearable.  Knowing that SSPX draws dangerously close to Modernist Rome does not affect their decision to remain.  Because unlike Recusant, they do not feel that coninued attendance at SSPX Masses puts their souls in danger.  I wonder what it will take to get the rest of us to fear for the loss of our souls by continued association with SSPX.


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    Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
    « Reply #91 on: September 29, 2013, 03:53:20 PM »
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  • hollingsworth

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    For them, the thought of being cut off from the Old Mass for a time is unbearable


    Indeed. Fr N Pfluger was eager to warn of the danger of cutting off oneself from the Mass when he visited SSPX chapels in Ireland. Laity got the "how grateful you should be to have the Mass" type sermon.

    Despite El Krahgate and all that had been discussed on Cath Info for months, I am not aware any questions were asked for the associate of Max Krah.

    Most Irish SSPX folk are Christian Democrat types. Many would find common ground with Dr Krah.

    Sadly, many Irish are not the fighters that I thought them to be. I commend those that have left SSPX chapels but in reality, the Irish have been found wanting.


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    Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
    « Reply #92 on: September 29, 2013, 04:03:36 PM »
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  • If the Irish SSPX laity are fighters, how on earth are some promoting EWTN or standing as election candidates for parties, who express delight in our "ʝʊdɛօ-Christan" heritage.

    Not every Irish SSPX folk are radicals.

    Why I introduce political ideology is many laity have a world view of compromise. I am not convinced many will step up to the mark.

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    Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
    « Reply #93 on: September 29, 2013, 04:20:58 PM »
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  • The Recusant

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    The way I see it, the SSPX I used to support no longer exists. I am against Vatican II. The XSPX isn't. Knowing what I know (which doubtless you know too) concerning the change in doctrine, etc., it would be wrong for me to continue to support it. For me to attend Mass there would be supporting it.  If I continued to support it, it would only be for less than worthy motives, and I would deserve to lose my soul when I die.

    Does that make sufficient sense?


    This makes perfect sense. The XSPX you write of certainly are not against Vatican II.

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    Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
    « Reply #94 on: September 29, 2013, 04:22:41 PM »
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    Many who remain in SSPX know full well what the real problems with Fellay & Co. are


    Bishop Fellay is only part of the problem and were he to resign tomorrow, the problem would remain. This is not about Bishop Fellay. The pious union of which he is Superior General has changed its doctrinal position and in my opinion has betrayed Archbishop Lefebvre and what he fought for and against.

    Many priests support Bishop Fellay.


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    Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
    « Reply #95 on: September 29, 2013, 04:32:57 PM »
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  • Just to return briefly to ideology, I don't dispute many Irish are anti-Zionist. My point really is if one embraces the nonsense of 'Christian Democracy' they have already started to slide in thought. Their world view would be surrendered to what a a rad Trad ought to be, a counter revolutionary. As the Americans/ Yanks might say, they might become "Happy Out" to have the Mass and get complacent.

    The Resistance built on the faith and doctrine is the future. The 'Church of Bishop Fellay' is a dead end road. It's an illusion. It's fantasy to believe they will convert Rome.

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    Eleison Comments: Horrible Falls III
    « Reply #96 on: October 01, 2013, 03:06:40 AM »
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    Just to return briefly to ideology, I don't dispute many Irish are anti-Zionist. My point really is if one embraces the nonsense of 'Christian Democracy' they have already started to slide in thought. Their world view would be surrendered to what a a rad Trad ought to be, a counter revolutionary. As the Americans/ Yanks might say, they might become "Happy Out" to have the Mass and get complacent.

    The Resistance built on the faith and doctrine is the future. The 'Church of Bishop Fellay' is a dead end road. It's an illusion. It's fantasy to believe they will convert Rome.


    The Resistance built on the Faith and the immemorial doctrine
    of Holy Mother Church is nothing but the Catholic Faith, and as
    such it cannot be other than "the future," because it is what
    will endure into eternity when everything else is but dross.  

    In eternity there will be no faith.  Just as the Old Dispensation
    is now defunct, so too, when we die, the very Faith that got us
    to our salvation will be left behind like the spent shell of a
    Saturn V booster rocket.

    The 'church of Bishop Fellay' is indeed a dead end road, but
    not the way that our faith will be discarded in due time.  The
    difference is, the 'church of Bishop Fellay' is a deviation from
    the straight and narrow way, a diversion that takes one onto
    the wide and well-traveled road of perdition:  the expressway
    to hell.  They should change the name of it, from 'The church
    of +Fellay' to "The Expressway to Hell."

    Not to be confused with :


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/qKggnBh2Mdw[/youtube]


    Maybe Kazimierz could help write a new theme song for B. B.?


    Finally, it is indeed "an illusion."  But remember, with all Liberals,
    their reality is their own imagination.  Things are what they really
    believe them to be, even to the point of God being a figment
    of their imagination.  They would re-create God in their own
    image.  And as such, the so-called 'conversion of Rome' that
    they kick around like a soccer ball on the field of religion like
    it's some kind of game, is whatever they deem it to be, for it
    is no more than another imaginary theological construct they
    can dream up on the fly.  No prepared notes necessary.

    It's an illusion. It's fantasy to believe they will convert Rome.

    The fantasy is what they make of it.  Like a well-established
    Communist told me to my face one day, and I have no doubt
    that he believed it 100%, "Communism is what you make of it."



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