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Offline hollingsworth

Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2018, 03:33:17 PM »

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Incred: Could this "Perfect Joy" excerpt be from Maria Valtorta's POEM OF THE MAN-GOD ?
Your point being......?
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2018, 11:25:13 AM »
Quote from: hollingsworth on December 24, 2018, 03:33:17 PM
Your point being......?

Let's see, what could the points be behind my question?  


1. Why didn't HE make direct reference to his literary source?

2. That Valtorta's works being banned and quite controversial, lacking (1950's) Church nihil obstat and imprimatur approvals are
    questionable sources.

3. That any mystic literary works promoted by Cardinal Bea in the 1950s are suspect.

4. That maybe we should have a Cathinfo poll and a debate on Maria Valtorta's works?

You asketh and I answereth you. :popcorn:

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Offline hollingsworth

Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2018, 01:13:31 PM »

That Valtorta's works being banned and quite controversial, lacking (1950's) Church nihil obstat and imprimatur approvals are
     questionable sources.

What a joke, Incred. Obviously, Bishop Williamson cares little or nothing about an alleged imprimatur approval of the 1950s. And I probably care less. Maybe it’s because you and I belong to two different Catholic denominations. Yours is heavy into imprimatur approvals, and mine ignores them. I don’t know.
Anyway, Merry Christmas….( And please get a life). This particular passage, shared with us by the good bishop was very touching and lovely, even should it have come from the pen of Martin Luther himself.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2018, 01:47:17 PM »
We'll never win hollingsworth over on this issue, since the homoerotic passages in Valtorta just have too strong of a hold on him.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2018, 01:54:41 PM »
Theologically incorrect to say that God was punishing Jesus and Mary for the sins of the world.  This makes God into some bizarre caricature which has this insatiable lust to punish someone, anyone, for having been offended.  Jesus, along with Our Lady's cooperation, made satisfaction for these offenses as explained by St. Anselm contrary to the legalistic view of punishment-transfer promoted later by the heretical Prots ... and evidently Valtorta.
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