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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2018, 10:22:19 PM »
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  • Holly,

    In all charity, you've lost your Catholics bearings.

    We will pray for you, our once vaunted "Resistance lion", who took on the fallen SSPX.

    :pray:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #46 on: December 28, 2018, 10:39:14 PM »
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  • Holly,

    In all charity, you've lost your Catholics bearings.

    We will pray for you, our once vaunted "Resistance lion", who took on the fallen SSPX.

    :pray:
    Yes. 

    This poem is profane, blasphemous garbage bordering on homosexual smut. It sounds like the story of the Holy Gospels through the lens of the Hollywood elite of a certain race/religion that hate Our Lord. It is indecent and there's nothing to defend about it. I said it before, I'll say it again: its only place is in a fire.
    Tío Samuel, ven pa 'aca


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #47 on: December 28, 2018, 11:00:08 PM »
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  • There is something really wrong with this Poem, even starting with the tittle itself. Why Man - God? It is supposed to be God - Man.

    Another disturbance, besides the homoerotic filth already mentioned, is that this book appears to be encouraged by the Medjujorge cult. Reg flag!


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    “ONE MUST READ THEM.”
    -Our Lady of Medjugorje, 1982-1983
    Words From Heaven

    Over the years, Our Lady has asked us to do many things and guided us step by step in our walk of conversion through Her Medjugorje messages. She even tells us what to read. Our Lady has specifically stated three things for us to read:

     

    1. “Dear children! Put Sacred Scripture in a visible place in your family and read it...” January 25, 2007
     
    2. Her Messages:
    “...Therefore, little children, read every day the messages I gave you and transform them into life...” December 25, 1989

    3. The book, The Poem of the Man-God, by Maria Valtorta:


    1982-1983

    Medjugorje visionary Marija (Pavlovic) Lunetti went before Our Lady on behalf of a seminarian and asked the question: "Was it okay to read the book The Poem of the Man-God?" Marija relayed that Our Lady affirmed it was okay by answering:
    “One must read them.”1


    https://www.medjugorje.com/medjugorje/poem-of-the-man-god.html

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #48 on: December 28, 2018, 11:04:20 PM »
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  • This poem ... bordering on homosexual smut.

    Coming from you, the irony...

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    It sounds like the story of the Holy Gospels through the lens of the Hollywood elite of a certain race/religion that hate Our Lord.

    Just say Jews. Don't be a coward about it.

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    It is indecent and there's nothing to defend about it. I said it before, I'll say it again: its only place is in a fire.

    How much longer will your split social justice warrior be dormant, again?
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #49 on: December 28, 2018, 11:09:52 PM »
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  • Just read the Mystical City of God, and dispose The Poem of the Man-God which reads like it was written by a crypto-Jew.

    Case closed.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #50 on: December 28, 2018, 11:11:36 PM »
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  • I believe that anything that feminizes Jesus must come from the Devil. Our Lord is the perfect MAN per excellence. Androgyny is satanic.

    The crisis of our Holy Religion is directly proportional to the fall of the Patriarchy and the feminization of everything, including Jesus.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #51 on: December 29, 2018, 05:56:36 PM »
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  • “‘Come here, you usurper and corrupter!’
     “‘Me? Why? What have I done, Lord?’
     “‘You have corrupted My Mother. That is why you wanted to be alone. What shall I do with you?’
     “Jesus smiles and Peter recovers his confidence. ‘You really frightened me! Now You are laughing.” (Vol. II, n. 199, p. 185)
    I can see how someone could read this as an inappropriate joke, but it's not clear to me that's how it should be read, given the text before and after this.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #52 on: December 30, 2018, 08:23:54 AM »
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  • Stanley N,

    You are right here. 

    The Puritans will use selective quotes and then their dirty minds to see filth where none is intended. What they bring forth as evidence of the badness of the Poem would not stand before any Court, Church or secular. Their so-called evidence using selective quotes would be thrown out in seconds. And if anyone who is a real truth-seeker not a smut-maker, can read the link I posted earlier about the supposed ban of the Poem and placing on the Index.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #53 on: December 30, 2018, 11:36:12 AM »
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  • Stanley N,

    You are right here.

    The Puritans will use selective quotes and then their dirty minds to see filth where none is intended. What they bring forth as evidence of the badness of the Poem would not stand before any Court, Church or secular. Their so-called evidence using selective quotes would be thrown out in seconds. And if anyone who is a real truth-seeker not a smut-maker, can read the link I posted earlier about the supposed ban of the Poem and placing on the Index.

    Ah, the irony of the accusation of trad-Catholics being a Puritans, coming from one carrying the name of a Philippines province.
    From a country who's GNP is infamously noted for being heavily dependent upon "sex exports". :facepalm:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #54 on: December 30, 2018, 11:39:31 AM »
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  • Here’s the problem, Cebu, Stanley and Hollingsworth - God has given many other mystics stories and insights into Our Lord’s life which could not, in any way, ever, in ANY sense, be interpreted in a weird way.  This is because God is able to communicate perfectly.  

    The fact that the “poem” has any ambiguousity, unclarity or is “open for interpretation” shows it’s not from God (or, at least, it proves that the TRANSLATION or WRITTEN story of what the mystic saw is not accurate, if we want to assume the mystic did receive a true vision).  

    God speaks clearly, accurately and without confusion.  The “poem” contains confusion, therefore it’s not from God (as it is written).  

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #55 on: December 30, 2018, 11:54:34 AM »
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  • Just to be clear, I'm no fan of the Valtorta. It doesn't elevate my mind to God.

    I just think that it's a stretch to assert that one passage has our Lord joking about something sexual.

    As if an Italian woman would think our Lord would talk like a sailor.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Hearts Protection (no. 597)
    « Reply #56 on: December 30, 2018, 12:13:45 PM »
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  • If that was the only questionable passage, then you’d have a point. But there are many questionable passages.  You have to distinguish between the mystic and the writings themselves.  Hollingsworth takes it to the extreme and interprets any criticism of the writings as a criticism of Church dogma.  But that’s another topic...

     

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