Number CCCXXVII (327)                               19 October 2013
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FRANCIS GODLESS
Catholics who retain any real sense of their faith are being scandalized by the words and deeds of the man presently seated on the Chair of Peter. One almost wonders if he was put there to destroy what remains of the Catholic Church. Like a true child of Vatican II, he is turning away from God towards man. Here for example are the first nine of eleven key quotes extracted (not by me) from an interview given by Francis on September 24 to the atheist editor of an Italian newspaper.

Quotes 2 to 5 concern the Church (I summarize): 2The Church administration must be more horizontal, less vertical. 3 The Roman Curia is too self-serving. It must go out to the people. 4 The Pope must no longer be a king surrounded by flattering courtiers. 5 Too many priests are self-serving, and obstacles to Christianity. Now quotes like these will obviously please a modern democratic public that has never liked being told by the official Church what to do, but are these quotes fair or just towards the countless Popes, Curias, Administrations and Priests that went before Francis for 1900 years to maintain the structure of the Church for the salvation of souls ? Will Francis on the contrary leave any structure still standing, any souls saved, behind him ?

Quotes 1 and 6 concern the world: 1 On my watch the Church will stay out of politics. To leave democratic men to throw themselves into Hell ? 6 The world’s two worst problems today are the unemployment of the young and the loneliness of the old. Now these are two real human problems of today, but why ? Is it not because churchmen like Francis leave, precisely, politics to the politicians, putting money in front of young people ? And because churchmen like him refuse to enforce those Church laws which, by holding the family together, help it to look after old people ?

Quotes 7 to 9 concern religion: 9 Jesus gave us only one way of salvation, love of one another. But love of neighbour without love of God coming first turns into hatred of neighbour, for example Communism. 7a Converting people makes no sense. It makes the greatest of sense, if, as is the case, nobody can get to Heaven without believing in God and in his Divine Son, Jesus Christ ! 7b We must all mix together and move one another to the Good. But we must all move one another towards God. What else is the Good ? If Francis will not mention God, who will believe in God ?

Quote 8 is the gravest of all: 8a “I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God.” This is gravely misleading. True, God is the God of all men, but he instituted for all men one religion, and one religion only, and that is the Catholic religion. Thus the God of Catholicism is the one and only true God. 8b “Jesus is his incarnation, my teacher and my pastor, but God the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator.” Also gravely misleading. Does not that “but” suggest that Jesus is not the Creator ?Does Francis believe that Jesus is anything more than just a man ? 8c “Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them.” This is not misleading at all. This is the denial of all objective morality, the denial of all principles of Catholic morality. This is an invitation to all men to do as they like. Coming from the man who is to all appearances the Catholic Pope, it is sheer insanity.

Pope Francis may plead that he is trying to get through to modern man, but to get through to him without God is just like jumping into a dangerous river to help a drowning man without a rope tied to the bank. One will only drown with him. Your Holiness, you are not helping but drowning !

Kyrie eleison.

Bishop Williamson quote:
"Like a true child of Vatican II, he is turning away from God towards man."

So true...

I am glad to finally hear something from H.E. about Francis.  I think he took it a little easy on him, though.  I'm not sure why he felt the need to rephrase the interview.  I'm also not sure why he failed to mention Francis' freemasonic view of the Incarnation (That Our Lord became Incarnate to instill a feeling of brotherhood among all men).  Or why he simply calls Francis' statement of "There is no Catholic God" as "gravely misleading."  Gravely misleading is selling you a car with 150,000 miles on it and saying it only has 50,000 on it.  But this statement is selling you a car that's rigged to explode when you put the key in the ignition.  It's a crime, a heresy, a blasphemy.  It's beyond "gravely misleading."  It's damnable.

Quote from: Mithrandylan

I am glad to finally hear something from H.E. about Francis.  I think he took it a little easy on him, though.  I'm not sure why he felt the need to rephrase the interview.  I'm also not sure why he failed to mention Francis' freemasonic view of the Incarnation (That Our Lord became Incarnate to instill a feeling of brotherhood among all men).  Or why he simply calls Francis' statement of "There is no Catholic God" as "gravely misleading."  Gravely misleading is selling you a car with 150,000 miles on it and saying it only has 50,000 on it.  But this statement is selling you a car that's rigged to explode when you put the key in the ignition.  It's a crime, a heresy, a blasphemy.  It's beyond "gravely misleading."  It's damnable.

Perhaps its because there's nothing left to be said. What if His Excellency did say what you said, as you said it. Would something terrifying and new then take place? The man, Francis, is not to be trusted. His Excellency is spot on, without all the drama and Traditio-esque drama it seems you're seeking.

Adjectives matter.  If we are uncomfortable with sspx.org describing the upcoming canonizations as "problematic" and that they have "reservations" about them, should we not also be uncomfortable when statements of apostasy are simply labeled as "gravely misleading?"  Drama has nothing to do with it.  

the man presently seated on the Chair of Peter. One almost wonders if he was put there to destroy what remains of the Catholic Church.

It does sound as though His Excellency is beginning to "almost wonder" here.  I find it very interesting that he refers to Francis as "the man presently seated on the Chair of Peter" (material Pope?).  He only refers to him as Pope Francis at the very end.

Recall that Archbishop Lefebvre did say that there might come a time that we might all forced to become sedevacantists.  Francis definitely brings everyone closer to that time.

His Excellency chooses his words very carefully, and I don't think that his reference to "the man presently seated on the Chair of Peter" is a casual one.

Matthew pointed out that Francis is not substantially different from his predecessors.  Yes, but Francis is more open, flagrant, and far less subtle about his open disdain for Tradition.  God probably sent him as a response to the Rosary Novena.  In seeing Francis for the heretic and the destroyer that he is, people might then be called to look back on his predecessors also.

Also from the same prophecy of St. Francis:

Those who preserve their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth, but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him.

Notice how the faithful will be called "rebels and schismatics".

:incense:Bishop Williamson has said that which should have been the words of Bishop Fellay.

I agree, +Fellay has something to look up to in his elder bishop,
+Williamson. But would he?  Probably not, unfortunately.  

And furthermore, you know +W could have been a WHOLE LOT harsher
with his words.  He is most capable.  He took up this topic after many
months of deferment and has not come out gangbusters all of a sudden.

This is very restrained.  This is +W keeping a tight rein on the reins
of his reign.  This is not the time to be too outspoken.  Such things
must be handled delicately.  

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Frances

:incense:Bishop Williamson has said that which should have been the words of Bishop Fellay.

I agree, +Fellay has something to look up to in his elder bishop,
+Williamson. But would he?  Probably not, unfortunately.  

And furthermore, you know +W could have been a WHOLE LOT harsher
with his words.  He is most capable.  He took up this topic after many
months of deferment and has not come out gangbusters all of a sudden.

This is very restrained.  This is +W keeping a tight rein on the reins
of his reign.  This is not the time to be too outspoken.  Such things
must be handled delicately.  

Isn't the objective goal of any traditional group of clergy to usher souls to Heaven, which in the modern times necessarily requires them to protect their faithful from the Novus Ordo Church?  

What's a greater threat to the Catholic Faith?  The NSSPX?  Or the Novus Ordo?  Think about it really carefully.  

 Not too sure there is much difference anymore.