Author Topic: Eleison Comments FATIMA SECRET (Read 2352 times)

Beatifico · « **on:** September 27, 2013, 08:19:05 PM »

Number CCCXXIV (324) September 28, 2013
FATIMA SECRET

Yet another reconstruction has come to light of the third part of the Secret of Fatima, revealed by the Mother of God to Sister Lucy in July, 1917. The Blessed Virgin wished it to be made public in 1960 at the latest, but the perfidious churchmen controlling Rome pretended that she had merely allowed it to be published from 1960 onwards, and it has been locked away ever since. From hints of its contents revealed by the few churchmen that have been able to read it, several attempts have been made to reconstruct it. This latest attempt has much in its favour. Here is its story.

Cardinal Ottaviani (1890-1979) was a high churchman under Popes Pius XII, John XXIII and Paul VI, main protector of the Faith from 1959 to 1968. Given to read the Secret, but bound by secrecy, he found a way to reveal it without revealing it. Adding material to make the original Secret two to three times as long, he allowed the elongated version to be published, notably in a German magazine called Neues Europa. But the Vatican authorities could easily dismiss it as a fake, as it is now regarded, because the original Secret was known to be only 25 hand-written lines.

However, the Cardinal had a friend, Don Luigi Villa (1918-2012), a valiant priest and defender of the true Church, especially against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. At some point the Cardinal revealed to Fr. Villa exactly which parts of the longer version came from the original Secret, and Don Villa in turn told the same to his faithful lay collaborator, Dr. Franco Adessa, who has just put the same information into Chiesa Viva, an Italian periodical. Here then would be the original “Third Secret”:--

“A great chastisement will come down on the whole of mankind neither today, nor tomorrow, but in the second half of the 20th century. Nowhere in the world is there order, and Satan rules in the highest places, determining the course of events. He will even manage to work his way up to the top of the Church. For the Church too will come the time of its greatest trials. Cardinals will oppose cardinals, bishops will oppose bishops. Satan will march in their midst, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, what falls will not get up again. The Church will be darkened and the world overwhelmed in terror. A great war will be let loose in the second half of the 20th century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the oceans’ waters will be turned into steam, the foam of the sea will rise up, overwhelming and flooding everything. Millions and millions of men will die from one hour to the next, while those who survive will envy the dead. Death will be everywhere because of the errors committed by the madmen and henchmen of Satan, who then and only then will reign over the world. Finally while those who survive these events are still alive, they will proclaim once more God and the glory of God, and they will serve him as men used to do when the world had not yet become so perverse.”

Fr Nicholas Gruner, an expert on Fatima, thinks that this version of the Secret may be incomplete, lacking mention of the Apocalypse and of recommended action. One may also object that the second half of the 20th century has come and gone with no World War. But have not madmen been stirring up war in the Middle East, continuously, from well before 2000 down to today ? And it is worthy of note that every phrase in this version of the Secret does occur in the Neues Europa version (accessible on the Internet), amidst material drawn or imitated from other pious sources.

In any case, may God truly have mercy upon us all, and let us pray the Rosary without ceasing.

Kyrie eleison.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:52:40 AM »

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“A great chastisement will come down on the whole of mankind neither today, nor tomorrow, but in the second half of the 20th century. Nowhere in the world is there order, and Satan rules in the highest places, determining the course of events. He will even manage to work his way up to the top of the Church. For the Church too will come the time of its greatest trials. Cardinals will oppose cardinals, bishops will oppose bishops. Satan will march in their midst, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, what falls will not get up again. The Church will be darkened and the world overwhelmed in terror. A great war will be let loose in the second half of the 20th century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the oceans’ waters will be turned into steam, the foam of the sea will rise up, overwhelming and flooding everything. Millions and millions of men will die from one hour to the next, while those who survive will envy the dead. Death will be everywhere because of the errors committed by the madmen and henchmen of Satan, who then and only then will reign over the world. Finally while those who survive these events are still alive, they will proclaim once more God and the glory of God, and they will serve him as men used to do when the world had not yet become so perverse.”

I don't see the fulfillment of much of this alleged essence of the 3rd Secret in the second half of the 20th Century. What is His Excellency trying to convey?

Sienna629 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2013, 12:17:05 PM »

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“A great chastisement will come down on the whole of mankind neither today, nor tomorrow, but in the second half of the 20th century. Nowhere in the world is there order, and Satan rules in the highest places, determining the course of events. He will even manage to work his way up to the top of the Church. For the Church too will come the time of its greatest trials. Cardinals will oppose cardinals, bishops will oppose bishops. Satan will march in their midst, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, what falls will not get up again. The Church will be darkened and the world overwhelmed in terror. A great war will be let loose in the second half of the 20th century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the oceans’ waters will be turned into steam, the foam of the sea will rise up, overwhelming and flooding everything. Millions and millions of men will die from one hour to the next, while those who survive will envy the dead. Death will be everywhere because of the errors committed by the madmen and henchmen of Satan, who then and only then will reign over the world. Finally while those who survive these events are still alive, they will proclaim once more God and the glory of God, and they will serve him as men used to do when the world had not yet become so perverse.”

I don't see the fulfillment of much of this alleged essence of the 3rd Secret in the second half of the 20th Century. What is His Excellency trying to convey?

I think the "great chastisement" predicted for the second half of the 20th century was Vatican II and the ensuing destruction of the Church that has taken place.

As for the "great war" that was also predicted, I believe that it is still coming, unless the Pope finally does the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary EXACTLY as Our Lord specified, and that we have possibly gotten a little bit of a reprieve by the prayers and sacrifices of those who truly believe in the Third Secret of Fatima and the fact that it has not been revealed yet. However, the war still looms on the horizon, nearer every day that the Pope refuses his duty.

For a couple of very interesting talks on that possible scenario, go to Father Gruner's Fatima.org website at the link below and listen to the talks by Suzanne Pearson (Clues to the Third Secret) and Father Paul Kramer (Consecration of Russia: Key to World Peace) at the latest Fatima Peace Conference earlier this month. Click on the "Monday" tab for Fr. Kramer's talk (2:45pm), and on the "Wednesday" tab (10am) for Suzanne Pearson's talk and click on "play":

http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31&Itemid=8

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2013, 12:18:37 PM »

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...this version of the Secret may be incomplete, lacking mention of the Apocalypse and of recommended action. One may also object that the second half of the 20th century has come and gone with no World War...

...and that it 'lacks mention' of an evil council that would
open the door to the de facto replacement of the Canonized
Traditional Latin Mass worldwide, with a bastard imposter
which even faithful sons of the Apostles will mistakenly believe
was "promulgated" even if 'illegitimately' so.

When the real Third Secret is let out of its cage, there will
be practically NO ONE alive to whom the words will come as
entirely what they had expected them to be, thus fulfilling
her prophesy that the "living will envy the dead."

This ENTIRELY explains why the Modernists -- whose reality is
'all about them,' subjectivism run rampant -- have been
unable to bring themselves to recognize that Our Lady could
ever have said such things, ERGO (for to them, reality is in
the mind, and consequently, truth emerges from how they FEEL
about things!) these various words Sr. Lucia reported as being
of Our Lady were in 'REALITY' merely her imaginations. (Cf. Fr.
Edward Dhanis, S.J.) But beyond that, according to the
'hermeneutic of continuity' (a wholesale artificial contrivance of
erstwhile Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, alias B16 the unclean),
while we must accept that SOME of the public 'events' of Fatima
did in fact take place (so as to not openly contradict history!),
we can nonetheless reject SOME things in some way, but
ESPECIALLY the Third Secret, whose contents are ENTIRELY
'unacceptable' due to the fact that 'IT' makes us 'FEEL' ill at ease,
and the 'NEGATIVITY' of all that is simply too much to bear,
consequently, these purloined paraphrases must at all
costs be shunned, spurned, scorned and derided!

If St. Catherine of Sienna was horrified at the sight of the PLACE
that was prepared for her in Hell if she were to die in mortal sin,
just imagine the PLACES prepared for any of the conciliar popes!

Woe to the man who spurns the words of Our Lady!

The Blessed Virgin Mary is the "Queen of prophets," you know.

That's why true Catholics will recognize the voice of Our Lady.

The Liberal anti-doctrine that spurns the infallible doctrine of
exclusive salvation has been imbibed on the grand scale,
and Our Lady's words shall not be made barren by Liberalism.

Our Lord's words can by extension be applied likewise to
His Mother: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My
words, nor those of My Mother shall not pass away! Her
fecundity is eternal and those who would be saved
embrace Her words without any HINT of reservation or
minimalism.

Remember, John XXIII didn't think it was "for Our pontificate,"
because he was getting ready for a 'Council' and he couldn't
imagine that would be "the one" that could do such
damage.

Remember that he almost furtively asserted that Latin would be
retained, and Gregorian Chant would have "pride of place" and
-- don't forget about his 'under-the-table' admonition against
ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs being allowed into seminaries, a docuмent which
was all but buried with Paul VI's Liberalism.

Quote from: hollingsworth

I don't see the fulfillment of much of this alleged essence of the 3rd Secret in the second half of the 20th Century. What is His Excellency trying to convey?

It seems to me that he's right on the cutting edge, but somehow
has been missing the SPIRITUAL gravity of The Secret.

Don't get me wrong, it's a bit difficult to ignore the temporal
realities of war and genocide (remember, though, the Armenian
Genocide was still fresh on the blood-stained soil the Turks
stained when Our Lady appeared in 1917, but she made no
mention of it! That speaks volumes in itself!), but it is the
spiritual aspect of Her Message that is what should really
demand our undivided attention! Just how does a bishop like
+W deliver this principle in a world that is deaf to the very
notion of spiritual messages?

As real as physical war is, the spiritual war and spiritual
chastisement that we have been under since 1960 is the
real danger to our salvation, for what does it profit a man to
gain the world in this life only to suffer the loss of his eternal
salvation in the next?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2013, 12:22:39 PM »

Quote from: Sienna629

Quote from: hollingsworth

I don't see the fulfillment of much of this ... What is His Excellency trying to convey?

I think the "great chastisement" predicted for the second half of the 20th century was Vatican II and the ensuing destruction of the Church that has taken place.

As for the "great war" that was also predicted, I believe that it is still coming, unless the Pope finally does the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary EXACTLY as Our Lord specified, and that we have possibly gotten a little bit of a reprieve by the prayers and sacrifices of those who truly believe in the Third Secret of Fatima and the fact that it has not been revealed yet. However, the war still looms on the horizon, nearer every day that the Pope refuses his duty.

For a couple of very interesting talks on that possible scenario, go to Father Gruner's Fatima.org website at the link below and listen to the talks by Suzanne Pearson (Clues to the Third Secret) and Father Paul Kramer (Consecration of Russia: Key to World Peace) at the latest Fatima Peace Conference earlier this month. Click on the "Monday" tab for Fr. Kramer's talk (2:45pm), and on the "Wednesday" tab (10am) for Suzanne Pearson's talk and click on "play":

http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31&Itemid=8

Very well said, Sienna629!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2013, 01:00:34 PM »

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I made a mistake:

Our Lord's words can by extension be applied likewise to
His Mother: 'Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My
words -- and those of My Mother -- shall not pass away'!
Her fecundity is eternal and those who would be saved
embrace Her words without any HINT of reservation or
minimalism.

-- Our Lord pretty much says this very thing when he said,
"...blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it"
(Lk. xi. 28).

Sienna629 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2013, 01:15:25 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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When the real Third Secret is let out of its cage, there will
be practically NO ONE alive to whom the words will come as
entirely what they had expected them to be, thus fulfilling
her prophesy that the "living will envy the dead."

Perhaps, but I had rather thought that it referred to the deplorable physical condition that those who survive the first rounds of the true physical chastisements, be they nuclear or whatever, find themselves in, in much the same way that you hear people say they would rather be dead than suffer greatly from cancer or some such ailment.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2013, 01:17:00 PM »

I am sorry, but I see little in this quote which has much at all to do with the 3rd Secret. It does not even get the century correct.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2013, 02:13:15 PM »

Quote from: Sienna629

Quote from: Neil Obstat
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When the real Third Secret is let out of its cage, there will
be practically NO ONE alive to whom the words will come as
entirely what they had expected them to be, thus fulfilling
her prophesy that the "living will envy the dead."

Perhaps, but I had rather thought that it referred to the deplorable physical condition that those who survive the first rounds of the true physical chastisements, be they nuclear or whatever, find themselves in, in much the same way that you hear people say they would rather be dead than suffer greatly from cancer or some such ailment.

Same subject: it's altogether too easy to see just the physical
aspect of prophesy. But this world is but an analogy of the
eternal (and therefore the more important) reality. When a
prophet speaks it isn't just for the here and now. But words of
infallibility endure forever and ever, et in saecula saeculorum,
Amen.

Certainly it refers to the deplorable physical condition of those
who survive the first rounds -- but what of those whose faith
survives the first rounds of Modernism run amok? What is a little
"suffering from cancer or such ailment" when compared to eternal
damnation? Liberalism makes suffering evil -- and that's what our
faithless and adulterous generation teaches us.

"An evil and adulterous generation seeketh a sign : and a sign
shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as
Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights : so
shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days
and three nights. The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it because they did penance
at the preaching of Jonas. And behold a greater than Jonas
here" (Mat. xii. 39-41).

Do you think anyone present at the time had a CLUE
what He was talking about? "A greater than Jonas
here?!?!" What -- someone 'here' has been
swallowed by a BIGGER whale?? Or, maybe emerged
from the other end of the whale?!? "In the heart
of the earth three days?!" What -- he's going to go
spelunking?? When we chase him out of town he's
going to go hide in a cave?!? "WHAT!?!"

It's too easy to see just the physical aspect of prophesy.

Who were the men of Ninive? They heard the prophesy of
Jonas and they didn't like it (just like we don't like the
prophesy of Our Lady today!), but they did not spurn, deride,
scorn or diminish his words. They did penance for their sins,
and they repented. And in the day of Judgment, that dreadful
Day of Wrath (is it any wonder they yanked out the Dies Irae
by the ROOTS from 'Catholic liturgies?'), the men of Ninive shall
rise in judgment with this generation and condemn it. Where
are they going to arise from? Perhaps from Purgatory!?

Imagine having been in Purgatory for 2300 years!

And a greater than Jonas here: our age suffers from Modernism,
the Grand Sewer of all heresies. Those who heard Jonas and did
penance didn't have that problem! That's why they had ears to
hear, and did penance (like Our Lady taught the 3 shepherd saints
of Fatima). The 'scribes and Pharisees' kept houses full of 'leaven'
in other neighborhoods! Our Lord endured His Crown of thorns to
atone for the intellectual sins of men, and Modernism
is certainly that, if it's anything........................

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** September 28, 2013, 02:26:17 PM »

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I am sorry, but I see little in this quote which has much at all to do with the 3rd Secret. It does not even get the century correct.

"...neither today, nor tomorrow, but in the second half of the 20th
century."

That century?

The second half of the 20th century has been overcome with the
Grand Sewer of all heresy -- much worse than any world war could
ever be. That's why focusing on the PHYSICAL aspects of the
Third Secret's warnings is a mistake.

And IMHO it's also a mistake for him to say there's only 70-80 more
years left before the Second Coming. It could happen sooner! It
could happen later! But when it happens, it will be "like a thief in
the night" and most people on earth won't be ready -- that's the
greatest tragey: not being in the state of grace!!!!!

+W is still trying to shake up the sensibilities of people by the
looming prospect of nuclear war, which is real, but the MORE REAL
danger is that when the bombs fall you'll be in mortal sin!! If the
bombs fall and you're in the state of grace, what difference does
a bomb or two make? He's actually preached this but somehow it
didn't make it into this EC.

Maybe the cricket-silence in the audience is too frightening! When
you accurately quote Our Lady, you don't get standing ovations!!
(At least, not for Our Lady's contribution!)

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** September 28, 2013, 06:56:30 PM »

the worst tragedy is the loss of His Precious Blood/sacraments. the loss of souls is the worst.