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ELEISON COMMENTS - Fatima Contested
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  • Number CCCXXX (330)                           9 November 2013
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    FATIMA CONTESTED

    At the outset of the 20th century surely God gave to the modern world two great lights: for theory, through Pius X, the Encyclical Pascendi in 1907, to denounce the key error of subjectivism; for practice, through his Mother, the apparitions of Fatima in 1917, to provide a remedy for the monstrous plague of Communism. But the Devil deflects attention from Pascendi, and raises a series of objections to discredit Fatima. Here are a few of the main objections:--

    * How can we take seriously Cardinal Ottaviani’s version of the third part of the Fatima Secret when supposedly Our Lady says there that a third World war will start in the latter part of the 20th century ? The year 2000 has come and gone, and there has been no third World War. There is an interesting parallel here between the second and third parts of the Secret of Fatima. In the second part Our Lady said that a worse war than WW I would start under the reign of the next Pope, which was Pius XI. Yet Pius XI died in the spring of 1939 and WW II was only declared in the autumn when Pius XII was Pope. Did Our Lady get her calendar wrong ? No, she was simply going by the reality instead of by the appearances. In reality WW II started in 1938 when Stalin was deciding to make a pact with Hitler so as to liberate Hitler to make war on his western front. See in the May, 2000, Rector’s Letter (on eleisonkommentar. blogspot.com) the whole fascinating story of this real start to WW II. Now whether or not the Ottaviani version is or is not the true “Third Secret”, may the reality not be that WW III began in the Middle East before the year 2000, for instance with the first invasion of Iraq in 1991 ? Things are not always how they appear.

    * In WW II we saw horrific bombings of Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki. What will be new here? Total WW II deaths are reckoned usually at some 66 million, in the tens of millions. If one reads rightly several warnings of Our Lady, and not only in Fatima, casualties from WW III and the Chastisement will be reckoned in the thousands of millions. Of the order of 100 times worse.

    * But what material Chastisement could be worse than the spiritual chastisement of our own days? True, next after the Fall of Adam and Eve, Vatican II was the worst disaster in all the history of mankind. Yet the mass of men see it as a great liberation. “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me,” is the old saying. Spiritual punishments are in themselves much greater, but it takes material things for us men to understand (cf. Mt. IX, 6, and Jn. XX, 27).

    * Our Lady of Fatima promised a period of peace if the Pope performed a certain consecration. Popes since then have performed several such consecrations, but we have had no peace. True, there have been several consecrations inspired no doubt by Our Lady of Fatima, but never yet exactly as she required: by the Pope, of Russia, to her Immaculate Heart, in union with all the bishops of the world. One or other of these four conditions has always been lacking.

    * Our Lady of Fatima told us of “nations being annihilated” and of “a period of peace”. We saw nations annihilated in WW II, and a period of peace in the 1950’s. Her prophecies have happened. What nations have remained annihilated since WW II, and just how much peace was there in the Cold War of the 1950’s? Our Lady of Fatima spoke of far greater events than have yet happened.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy upon us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, intercede for us.
    Kyrie eleison.



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  • I find this easier to read with the objections in italics, as in the original.

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    Number CCCXXX (330)
     9 November 2013

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    FATIMA CONTESTED

    At the outset of the 20th century surely God gave to the modern world two great lights: for theory, through Pius X, the Encyclical Pascendi in 1907, to denounce the key error of subjectivism; for practice, through his Mother, the apparitions of Fatima in 1917, to provide a remedy for the monstrous plague of Communism. But the Devil deflects attention from Pascendi, and raises a series of objections to discredit Fatima. Here are a few of the main objections:--

    * How can we take seriously Cardinal Ottaviani’s version of the third part of the Fatima Secret when supposedly Our Lady says there that a third World war will start in the latter part of the 20th century ? The year 2000 has come and gone, and there has been no third World War.
     There is an interesting parallel here between the second and third parts of the Secret of Fatima. In the second part Our Lady said that a worse war than WW I would start under the reign of the next Pope, which was Pius XI. Yet Pius XI died in the spring of 1939 and WW II was only declared in the autumn when Pius XII was Pope. Did Our Lady get her calendar wrong ? No, she was simply going by the reality instead of by the appearances. In reality WW II started in 1938 when Stalin was deciding to make a pact with Hitler so as to liberate Hitler to make war on his western front. See in the May, 2000, Rector’s Letter (on eleisonkommentar. blogspot.com) the w hole fascinating story of this real start to WW II. Now whether or not the Ottaviani version is or is not the true “Third Secret”, may the reality not be that WW III began in the Middle East before the year 2000, for instance with the first invasion of Iraq in 1991 ? Things are not always how they appear.

    * In WW II we saw horrific bombings of Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki. What will be new here ?
    Total WW II deaths are reckoned usually at some 66 million, in the tens of millions. If one reads rightly several warnings of Our Lady, and not only in Fatima, casualties from WW III and the Chastisement will be reckoned in the thousands of millions. Of the order of 100 times worse.

    * But what material Chastisement could be worse than the spiritual chastisement of our own days?
     True, next after the Fall of Adam and Eve, Vatican II was the worst disaster in all the history of mankind. Yet the mass of men see it as a great liberation. “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me,” is the old saying. Spiritual punishments are in themselves much greater, but it takes material things for us men to understand (cf. Mt. IX, 6, and Jn. XX, 27).

    * Our Lady of Fatima promised a period of peace if the Pope performed a certain consecration. Popes since then have performed several such consecrations, but we have had no peace.
    True, there have been several consecrations inspired no doubt by Our Lady of Fatima, but never yet exactly as she required: by the Pope, of Russia, to her Immaculate Heart, in union with all the bishops of the world. One or other of these four conditions has always been lacking.

    * Our Lady of Fatima told us of “nations being annihilated” and of “a period of peace”. We saw nations annihilated in WW II, and a period of peace in the 1950’s. Her prophecies have happened.
    What nations have remained annihilated since WW II, and just how much peace was there in the Cold War of the 1950’s ? Our Lady of Fatima spoke of far greater events than have yet happened.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy upon us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, intercede for us.

    Kyrie eleison.

     


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  • Rector's Letter - Winona:

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    Our Lady of Fatima
    May 1, 2000

    Dear Friends and Benefactors,

    A fascinating article in a recent issue of an American Catholic periodical, “All These Things”, told me a little fact about Our Lady of Fatima that I had not known, and which is most revealing, and re-assuring. For Our Lady’s month of May, let us present this proof of her presence and power amidst all the wickedness of the world around us. But we must begin with quite a bit of background.

    Most readers will be familiar with the main outlines of the story of Our Lady of Fatima, referred to also in this month’s accompanying issue of “Verbum”. From May to October of 1917, on the 13th of each month, Our Lady appeared to three little shepherd children in the village of Fatima, Portugal, to teach to the modern world Heaven’s answer to the Communist revolution with all the horrors it would bring in its train from October 1917 when it took over the great land of Russia.

    Most readers also know that on July 13 Our Lady gave a message to one of the children which is known as the Second Secret. In it she said amongst other things that the war then raging, World War One, would end. “But if men do not cease offending God, another worse one will begin in the reign of Pius XI. When you see a night lit up by an unknown light, know that it is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine and persecutions against the Church and the Holy Father”.

    She concluded, “To prevent this, I will come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the first Saturdays of the month. If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions against the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer. Various nations will be annihilated”.

    Now most of you know that this Consecration of Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart which Our Lady called for, has never been properly performed with all the conditions fulfilled as Our Lady requested. The result is that Russia’s key error of atheistic materialism has spread all over the world, so that even the United States which once appeared to be a valiant enemy of Communism, is now a Communist country in all but name. Then when was the night “lit up by an unknown light”, signifying that the still offended God was going to punish the world “by means of war”, etc.?

    That light appeared all over the sky of Western Europe and then in Northern America on the evening of January 25, 1938. Over a large part of the northern hemisphere “the sky was ablaze like an immense moving furnace, provoking a very strong blood-red glow. The edge of the furnace was white, as if the sun was about to come up”, said a newspaper report. It lasted from about 6:30 to 9:30 pm in Europe. The “experts” said that it must have been the northern lights, or an “aurora borealis”, but those northern lights are caused by sun-spots, of which only a minimum were recorded at that time. Also the nature of the light was quite different from that of an “aurora borealis” – on January 25, 1938 in many cities the fire engines rolled out to look for the fire, something they never do for an “aurora borealis”.

    Lucy, by then Sister, immediately recognized in the unusual night light the warning that Our Lady had told her of 20 years before. And of course in September of 1939, the terrible Second World War began with England and France declaring war on Germany because of Hitler’s invasion of Poland. Ironically, this war would result by 1945 in Poland’s being betrayed soon after to the Communists, along with the large part of Eastern Europe, a huge triumph for Russia’s errors, just as Our Lady had warned at Fatima if Russia were not consecrated to her Immaculate Heart.

    Yet when the Second Secret became known, its accuracy in this respect was questioned on two grounds. Firstly, as everybody is told, it was the wicked Hitler and not “Uncle Joe” Stalin who was responsible for the start of WW II. So what sense did it make to call for the consecration of Russia and not of Germany? And secondly, the Second Secret said that “another worse war will begin in the reign of Pius XI”. But Pius XI died on February 10, 1939, while the Second World War was only declared on September 3, 1939, under the reign then of Pope Pius XII, not Pius XI. Opponents of Fatima seized on these “mistakes” to discredit the Second Secret.

    However, in Brother Michael of the Holy Trinity’s wonderful three-volume series “The Whole Truth about Fatima”, published in English as part of Fr. Nicholas Gruner’s heroic efforts to get the Fatima message out to the world (I.H. Publications, Box 1028, Buffalo NY 14205, USA), Brother Michael answers these objections (vol.II, pp. 688-702). He shows that in reality it was Stalin who cleverly maneuvered Hitler into declaring war on the Western democracies, which means that Communist Russia was really the one to blame. Stalin calculated that once another huge fight between Germany, France and Britain had exhausted them all, then Russia would step in and take over Europe. Indeed World War II resulted in Communism taking over the Eastern half of Europe. So the real criminal who started the war could be identified as the one who finally profited from it, not Hitler but Stalin.

    The second objection concerning Pope Pius XI or XII then solves itself: the Second World War began not really with Hitler’s invasion of Poland, but with the prior dealings between Hitler and Stalin culminating in the famous German-Russian Ribbentrop non-aggression Pact of August 23, 1939, which by covering Hitler to the East enabled him within ten days to defy his enemies to the West. (So it turned out. War between Germany and Russia broke out only in June of 1941). Thus WW II started in secret well before it started in public, under Pius XI’s reign as Our Lady said, and not under Pius XII’s. It is remarkable confirmation of this explanation which appeared in the recent “All These Things” (P.O.Box 11339, Cincinnati, OH 45211, USA).

    Many of you know of the great struggle in the 1930’s between nationalist and internationalist Communists. Inside Russia, the nationalist Stalin had succeeded in ousting his former ally, the internationalist Trotzky, but the internationalists, then and now real rulers of the modern world, were plotting inside Russia to oust Stalin in turn. He discovered their plot, imprisoned the ringleaders, put them on trial in the famous show trials of the Great Purge of 1937 and 1938, and had them shot.

    However one victim who escaped death was a certain Christian Rakovsky (Christian only in name), one of the internationalists who considered Stalin had betrayed Communism by putting the interests of Russia and himself first. Rakovsky, to save his life, promised to tell Stalin secrets of great value to Stalin. Stalin who knew that Rakovsky was one of those few men who are the real rulers of the world, agreed to listen. The resulting interrogation of Rakovsky by one of Stalin’s agents inside the prison was recorded by the interpreter present for the interrogation, and by him it was smuggled out of the prison. By remarkable circuмstances it reached the West, where it should be far better known that it is, but of course the modern world has a thousand ways of smothering its own dirty secrets. God puts in men’s hands the “Protocols of the Sages of Sion” and the “Rakovsky Interview”, if men want to know the truth, but few do.

    What Rakovsky told Stalin’s agent was that as far as “they” were concerned (meaning the internationalist plotters for world control by money) he, Stalin, had betrayed their Communist Revolution in Russia. So to bring Stalin down, “they” had brought Hitler to power by giving to his nαzι party crucial financial support in the late 1920’s. How-ever, Hitler, by issuing his own money to replace their debt-money, was now liberating Germany from their control, a liberation so threatening to their world-power that they were now willing to forget their feud with Stalin and join with him in crushing Hitler. So here was the deal, said Rakovsky: if Stalin would put out feelers to Hitler for a Hitler-Stalin pact, to include a joint invasion and partitioning of Poland, then Stalin would get all kinds of decisive help from the USA and from other unexpected quarters, and when the Hitler-Stalin deal had produced the desirable war to crush Hitler, then Stalin could be given Europe (in the event he got half of it). But if Stalin would not put out those feelers towards Hitler, then he could expect from those same quarters to be crushed himself!

    Rakovsky’s interrogator required confirmation of such secret realities. Rakovsky told him to check out his truthfulness with – the USA ambassador in Moscow! This Mr. Davis duly confirmed everything Rakovsky had said. Rakovsky’s life was spared. Stalin put out the feelers to Hitler, and the Ribbentrop Pact and World War Two were well on their way.

    Now when exactly did the Rakosvky interview take place? From midnight to 6 am, Moscow time, in the night of Jan. 25-26, 1938, or, from 9 pm to 3 am West European time! In other words, the beginning of that interview overlapped exactly with the end of Our Lady’s warning light in the night sky!

    Dear readers, God is in command. He and His Mother know exactly what they are doing. They do not expect all of us to know such details as above of the plotting of wicked men, but especially when we do know them, Heaven expects us to take the simple remedial action which it puts in the hands of all of us – the prayer of the Rosary and the five first Saturdays. We cannot see, but we must believe in, the world-saving power of these simple remedies. “In that same hour, Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Ghost, and said: I confess to Thee, O Father, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them to little ones. Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight” (Lk. X,21).

    Towards the Mother of God we need to have the boundless trust and obedience of little ones.

    Sincerely yours in Christ,

    Bishop Richard Williamson

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    Thanks for the archive work, B from A.



    And I agree:  the italics are helpful.    :cowboy:  (Spaghetti Western:  Italian/italics -- get it?)

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