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Eleison Comments - Distinguish, Discriminate
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2016, 10:35:03 AM »
Quote from: Matthew
I am not "soft" on the Novus Ordo.

As St. Thomas Aquinas said, "It is proper to the wise man to distinguish."

So, to use St. Thomas Aquinas' favorite phrase, "Distinguo." (I distinguish.)

Apparently you are not capable of distinguishing.

Ergo...


Duh.  Again, the point being, the Mass is NOT something to "distinguish" about!  For almost 400 years the Roman Rite had ONLY the Tridentine Latin Mass.  THEN came in a interloper, a sacrilegious "competitor," a lawbreaker,  an enemy to subvert and destroy.  Never before seen were TWO concurrent Masses in this way.  And we were told this new sinful thing was to replace the True Mass.  We were to take it and like it, nay - love it! The Communist, Jєωιѕн, Masonic hierarchy was going to squelch the True Mass - and when we say True Mass, think:  OUR LORD!!  Kick Him in the Face with this insulting, rule-busting New Mass. This awful, unworthy "sacrifice."  Separate Him from us once and for all, with this changing of the essential Mass. Enough of it was gone wrong to threaten what it takes for a sacrament to "happen" - attack and revise form and matter, first one way then another. Novelty on novelty was ok too.  But even the basic, "conservative" Novus Ordo is RADICAL! Anyone with Catholic eyes to see can't miss that.

It seems that if a person is a convert, or was not born in, at the latest, the 50's, growing up with the Tridentine Mass in one's parish for years before the tsunami of the Vat. II new mass hit   - that it too often seems one does not see the forest for the trees.  Such a one has been used to integrated sacrilege, or compromise, or a non-pure, unorthodox existence.  One is used to a world of "blend."  Maybe there are cradle trads of the post-Vat II era who "get it right," and some other honest souls of integrity, who have been of correct good will vision about it all.  But it surely is a shame and a wonder when Catholic sense and sacramental theology cannot be understood aright, especially by those who claim to have a personal, essential spiritual interest or RESPONSIBILITY to do so!  The grace is there for them for the asking.

(And without this grace of God, there go I, and I still may not persevere.  So pray for me.)

Sadly it seems, anyone who does not see the New Mass for what it is, does not really realize what the True Mass is - what Almighty God's Holy Sacrifice is.  

Cain was rejected for less.  
 

Eleison Comments - Distinguish, Discriminate
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2016, 10:39:45 AM »
There seems to be a few Eucharistic miracles in the Novus Ordo. In each case the host turned red and then they sent it to scientists and the scientists said the red part of the host seemed to be human flesh and blood. There seems to me to be several possibilities. First, the people involved are lying. Second, the miracles are deceptions of Satan meant to fool the elect. Third, they are true miracles from God. I myself believe they are either miracles from God or false miracles from Satan. We all know Satan is very powerful and can work wonders so just because something seems miraculous it doesn't mean it is from God. But it seems that Bishop Williamson is assuming that these wonders come from God.


Eleison Comments - Distinguish, Discriminate
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2016, 10:55:15 AM »
What good to Tradition can possibly come from these ambivalent comments, Bishop Williamson?

I wonder why he is persisting in doing this, precisely in these times of intense confusion.

Eleison Comments - Distinguish, Discriminate
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2016, 11:00:05 AM »
Quote from: Cantarella
What good to Tradition can possibly come from these ambivalent comments, Bishop Williamson?

I wonder why he is persisting on doing this.


Indeed.  The issue just stays sticky on his fingers and he just keeps playing with it. When I saw this EC title I thought, "Here we go again." He is not at peace.

So he comes back for another try and just keeps digging a deeper hole for himself.    


Eleison Comments - Distinguish, Discriminate
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2016, 11:14:40 AM »
How is it possible that a rite approved and put forward by the Roman Catholic Church is partially bad?. It cannot be. Either the rite itself is all good, or it is not Catholic rite at all. That means, in reality, the Church did not promulgate it nor does it use it. We cannot have it both ways. We cannot say that a rite approved by Holy Mother Church is intrinsically evil, invalid, or partially bad.

Quote from: Council of Trent, Canon 7
If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema.