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Eleison Comments - Corporal Punishment (no. 907)
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  • November 30th, 2024EC No. CMVII (907)
    CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
    ‘Tis God Who designed, created every child.
    Neglect His own instructions – they go wild.
    “Spare the rod and spoil the child” is an old proverb, going back certainly before our own time, going back at least to the Old Testament, in surprisingly many places. Eight of them are quoted here below, with comments, and there might easily be even be more. What matters is to realise that if Scripture is so insistent, then the principle comes not only from natural common sense, but ultimately from God Himself to instruct us on how human nature, specially of boys, is to be formed. Of course modern circuмstances must be taken into account, for instance fundamentally wicked legislation by which a government’s so-called “social services” can take my children away from me and my wife if we dare to lay a finger on them. But the series of Scripture quotes tells us at least what to think of such “social services.”
    Let us begin with Proverbs XIII, 24, an almost literal version of our familiar proverb –
    He that spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes.
    Proverbs XIX, 18 is an appeal to common sense. Corporal punishment is to be used justly, without excess –
    Chastise thy son, despair not: but to the killing of him set not thy soul.
    Proverbs XXII, 15 evokes the original sin which is the great truth behind the need for corporal punishment –
    Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, and the rod of correction shall drive it away.
    Proverbs XXIII, 13 is another appeal to common sense: it will not kill the child to warm his backside –
    Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die.
    Proverbs XXV, 20 declares how unwise it is to spoil a bad person (or naughty child) with being too nice – As vinegar upon nitre, so is he that singeth songs to a very evil heart.
    Proverbs XXIX, 15, 17 declare the good/bad effect on parents of punishing/ not punishing children –
    15 The rod and reproof instil wisdom, but the child that is left to his own will bringeth his mother to shame.
    17 Instruct thy son, and he shall refresh thee, and shall give delight to thy soul.
    Ecclesiasticus XXII, 6 repeats the teaching of Proverbs on the value of corporal punishment -–
     . . . the stripes and instruction of wisdom are never out of time (“stripes” here means “beatings”).
    Ecclesiasticus XXX, 1–12 is a little treatise on the value of taking care in bringing up one’s sons –
    He that loveth his son, frequently chastiseth him, that he may rejoice in his latter end, and not grope after the doors of his neighbours. 2 He that instructeth his son shall be praised in him, and shall glory in him in the midst of them of his household. 3 He that teacheth his son, maketh his enemy jealous, and in the midst of his friends shall glory in him . . . 6 For he left behind him a defender of his house against his enemies, and one that will repay kindness to his friends . . .
    9 Give thy son his way, and he shall make thee afraid: play with him, and he shall make thee sorrowful. 10 Laugh not with him, lest thou have sorrow, and at the last thy teeth be set on edge. 11 Give him not liberty in his youth, and wink not at his devices. 12 Bow down his neck while he is young, and beat his sides while he is a child, lest he grow stubborn, and regard thee not, and so be a sorrow of heart to thee.
    Do not the “child psychologists” of today teach parents rather the opposite of the Old Testament? Do not many parents of today tend to give up on disciplining or instructing their own children, rather handing them over, or letting them be taken in hand, by their godless States? And are the boys any the better for it? Judging by a mass of today’s young men . . .
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  • St John Bosco's system of education gives an encouraging context to these principles of corporal punishment:

    St. Don Bosco on the Education and Discipline of Youth
    Published on October 20, 2019 by Mary Cooney https://mercyformarthas.com/2019/10/20/st-don-bosco-on-the-education-and-discipline-of-youth/ (caution: this is not a Traditional Catholic site)
    Last post, I shared with you St. Don Bosco’s secret to discipline.  Did you read how he could get 500 boys to sit in a hall and study quietly and diligently, without threats or punishment?  If you have boys, St. Don Bosco is the saint for you! He is a shining example for parents and teachers. Today I share with you some of his own words of wisdom on education and discipline:

    On the Goal of Education:
    For you to become the consolation of your family, the honor of your country, good citizens on earth in order to become one day blessed inhabitants of heaven.
    On Religion and Education:
    Only religion is capable of beginning and completing the mighty undertaking of an authentic education.
    Reason and Religion are the means which the educator ought to apply constantly, which he ought to teach, and which he himself ought to practice, if he wishes to be obeyed and to attain his end.
    Frequent Confession, frequent Communion, daily Mass are the pillars that ought to support an educational edifice, from which one would want to keep at bay threats and violence. Never require the youngsters to go to the Holy Sacraments, but just encourage them, and offer them every opportunity to make good use of them.
    On Educators:
    The educator at work amongst his pupils should make himself loved, if he wishes to be respected.
    The educator, having won the loving respect of his protégé, will be able to greatly influence him, warn him, counsel him, and also correct him.
    Act like a caring father. You will obtain anything from your children if they realize that you are seeking their own good.
    Master your own character, and then you will succeed in mastering those of your pupils.
    Remind them that humility is the source of all peace and that they should learn to put up with the failings of others since there is no perfection in this world but only in the next.
    An educator is one devoted to the well-being of his students, and for this reason ought to be ready to face every inconvenience, every fatigue in order to achieve his goal, which is the civil, moral and intellectual education of his students.
    On Discipline:
    The basic reason (why young people get into trouble) is youthful fickleness which in a moment can forget the rules of discipline and the punishments they threaten.
    Give them ample liberty to jump, run, make a din as much as they please. Gymnastics, music, declamation (of poems, etc), theatricals, hikes, are very effective methods for getting discipline; they favour good living and good health. One must only ensure that the plot, the characters and the dialogue are not unsuitable.
    Boys should not only be loved; but realize that they are loved.
    (Children will know they are loved) by being loved in the things they like, by a sharing in their youthful interests… Let (teachers) like what pleases the youngsters and the youngsters will come to like what pleases the superiors. In this way their work will be made easy.
    Punishment should be your last resort. In my long career as an educator, how often this has been brought home to me! No doubt it is ten times easier to lose our patience than to control it, to threaten a boy than to persuade him. No doubt too, it is much more gratifying to our pride to punish those who resist us, than to bear them with firm kindness. Saint Paul often lamented how some converts to the faith too easily returned to their inveterate habits; yet he bore it all with patience as zealous as it was admirable. This is the kind of patience we need in dealing with the young.
    Laws which are enforced by punishments stir up hatred and give rise to bitterness, whilst laws which are not enforced at all arouse only contempt for the superiors and cause serious disorders… (Instead), Let the superior be all things to everyone, ready to listen to the troubles or complaints of the boys, watching over their conduct with a father’s care, whole-hearted in his efforts for the spiritual and temporal welfare of those whom Providence has entrusted to him.
    (Note: St. Don Bosco did have rules, but using punishments to enforce them was his last resort.  According to this paper, “Don Boso made use of corrections within a wide range of interventions of ascending seriousness: suggestions, advice, recommendations, reminders, warnings and threats of punishments. These were not ‘punishments’ strictly speaking, but interventions to help the pupils to avoid light-headedness and prevent bad habits from taking root, and at the same time to accustom them to a sense of propriety and help them cultivate good habits in thinking, speaking, and acting. Correction in these terms is of the essense of Don Bosco’s preventative system, because if boys were never to make a mistake, they would hardly be boys and would not be in need of education.” – Joaquim D’Souza)
    Long experience has taught me that patience is the only remedy for even the worst cases of disobedience and irresponsiveness. Sometimes, after making many patient efforts without obtaining success, I deemed it necessary to resort to severe measures. Yet these never achieved anything, and in the end I always found that charity finally triumphed where severity had met with failure. Charity is the cure-all though it may be slow in affecting its cure.
    How to correct children:
    Never, as far as possible, correct in public, but in private, apart from others.
    Many times an indirect method of correcting is useful. For example, while in the presence of one at fault, speak to another about the folly of those who do lose their self-respect and good sense and so deserve punishment.
    Wait until the child is calm. Never correct a boy while he is still under the influence of his own temper. A correction given at that time would only serve to embitter him and make things worse. Give him time to reflect, to enter into himself – he will realize that he is wrong.
    Pick the best moment. Correct at the proper time, if you wish correction to do any good. I have often reflected on the story of Saint Paul’s conversion. He had gone to the High Priest “breathing threats of slaughter against the disciples of the Lord.” See how our Lord bides his time. He lets the persecutor give vent to his passion. He waits for him to complete his journey. Then at the very gates of Damascus, after Saul has had plenty of time for reflection, when he is far away from those who might encourage him to persist in his resolution to persecute the Christians, Jesus reveals himself in all his authority and power! By the strength of his meekness, he converts Saul’s hatred and opens his eyes to his error; from a persecutor, Saul becomes the apostle of the Gentiles.
    Appeal to reason and responsibility. Let the one you correct understand that you act out of duty and according to reason. Try to make him realize his fault and that it deserves punishment. Then mitigate it. In this way he will willingly accept it.
    Sweeten correction with comfort. Correction at times brings about anxiety and fear. A word of comfort can easily offset this. A person who forgets and helps the culprit to forget is a true educator.






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    Re: Eleison Comments - Corporal Punishment (no. 907)
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  • St John Bosco's system of education gives an encouraging context to these principles of corporal punishment:

    St. Don Bosco on the Education and Discipline of Youth
    Published on October 20, 2019 by Mary Cooney https://mercyformarthas.com/2019/10/20/st-don-bosco-on-the-education-and-discipline-of-youth/ (caution: this is not a Traditional Catholic site)
    Last post, I shared with you St. Don Bosco’s secret to discipline.  Did you read how he could get 500 boys to sit in a hall and study quietly and diligently, without threats or punishment?  If you have boys, St. Don Bosco is the saint for you! He is a shining example for parents and teachers. Today I share with you some of his own words of wisdom on education and discipline:

    On the Goal of Education:
    For you to become the consolation of your family, the honor of your country, good citizens on earth in order to become one day blessed inhabitants of heaven.
    On Religion and Education:
    Only religion is capable of beginning and completing the mighty undertaking of an authentic education.
    Reason and Religion are the means which the educator ought to apply constantly, which he ought to teach, and which he himself ought to practice, if he wishes to be obeyed and to attain his end.
    Frequent Confession, frequent Communion, daily Mass are the pillars that ought to support an educational edifice, from which one would want to keep at bay threats and violence. Never require the youngsters to go to the Holy Sacraments, but just encourage them, and offer them every opportunity to make good use of them.
    On Educators:
    The educator at work amongst his pupils should make himself loved, if he wishes to be respected.
    The educator, having won the loving respect of his protégé, will be able to greatly influence him, warn him, counsel him, and also correct him.
    Act like a caring father. You will obtain anything from your children if they realize that you are seeking their own good.
    Master your own character, and then you will succeed in mastering those of your pupils.
    Remind them that humility is the source of all peace and that they should learn to put up with the failings of others since there is no perfection in this world but only in the next.
    An educator is one devoted to the well-being of his students, and for this reason ought to be ready to face every inconvenience, every fatigue in order to achieve his goal, which is the civil, moral and intellectual education of his students.
    On Discipline:
    The basic reason (why young people get into trouble) is youthful fickleness which in a moment can forget the rules of discipline and the punishments they threaten.
    Give them ample liberty to jump, run, make a din as much as they please. Gymnastics, music, declamation (of poems, etc), theatricals, hikes, are very effective methods for getting discipline; they favour good living and good health. One must only ensure that the plot, the characters and the dialogue are not unsuitable.
    Boys should not only be loved; but realize that they are loved.
    (Children will know they are loved) by being loved in the things they like, by a sharing in their youthful interests… Let (teachers) like what pleases the youngsters and the youngsters will come to like what pleases the superiors. In this way their work will be made easy.
    Punishment should be your last resort. In my long career as an educator, how often this has been brought home to me! No doubt it is ten times easier to lose our patience than to control it, to threaten a boy than to persuade him. No doubt too, it is much more gratifying to our pride to punish those who resist us, than to bear them with firm kindness. Saint Paul often lamented how some converts to the faith too easily returned to their inveterate habits; yet he bore it all with patience as zealous as it was admirable. This is the kind of patience we need in dealing with the young.
    Laws which are enforced by punishments stir up hatred and give rise to bitterness, whilst laws which are not enforced at all arouse only contempt for the superiors and cause serious disorders… (Instead), Let the superior be all things to everyone, ready to listen to the troubles or complaints of the boys, watching over their conduct with a father’s care, whole-hearted in his efforts for the spiritual and temporal welfare of those whom Providence has entrusted to him.
    (Note: St. Don Bosco did have rules, but using punishments to enforce them was his last resort.  According to this paper, “Don Boso made use of corrections within a wide range of interventions of ascending seriousness: suggestions, advice, recommendations, reminders, warnings and threats of punishments. These were not ‘punishments’ strictly speaking, but interventions to help the pupils to avoid light-headedness and prevent bad habits from taking root, and at the same time to accustom them to a sense of propriety and help them cultivate good habits in thinking, speaking, and acting. Correction in these terms is of the essense of Don Bosco’s preventative system, because if boys were never to make a mistake, they would hardly be boys and would not be in need of education.” – Joaquim D’Souza)
    Long experience has taught me that patience is the only remedy for even the worst cases of disobedience and irresponsiveness. Sometimes, after making many patient efforts without obtaining success, I deemed it necessary to resort to severe measures. Yet these never achieved anything, and in the end I always found that charity finally triumphed where severity had met with failure. Charity is the cure-all though it may be slow in affecting its cure.
    How to correct children:
    Never, as far as possible, correct in public, but in private, apart from others.
    Many times an indirect method of correcting is useful. For example, while in the presence of one at fault, speak to another about the folly of those who do lose their self-respect and good sense and so deserve punishment.
    Wait until the child is calm. Never correct a boy while he is still under the influence of his own temper. A correction given at that time would only serve to embitter him and make things worse. Give him time to reflect, to enter into himself – he will realize that he is wrong.
    Pick the best moment. Correct at the proper time, if you wish correction to do any good. I have often reflected on the story of Saint Paul’s conversion. He had gone to the High Priest “breathing threats of slaughter against the disciples of the Lord.” See how our Lord bides his time. He lets the persecutor give vent to his passion. He waits for him to complete his journey. Then at the very gates of Damascus, after Saul has had plenty of time for reflection, when he is far away from those who might encourage him to persist in his resolution to persecute the Christians, Jesus reveals himself in all his authority and power! By the strength of his meekness, he converts Saul’s hatred and opens his eyes to his error; from a persecutor, Saul becomes the apostle of the Gentiles.
    Appeal to reason and responsibility. Let the one you correct understand that you act out of duty and according to reason. Try to make him realize his fault and that it deserves punishment. Then mitigate it. In this way he will willingly accept it.
    Sweeten correction with comfort. Correction at times brings about anxiety and fear. A word of comfort can easily offset this. A person who forgets and helps the culprit to forget is a true educator.
    Thanks for sharing this, PV. It should be required study.
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    I feel it, when I sorrow most;
    'Tis better to have loved and lost
    Than never to have loved at all.
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  • St John Bosco's system of education gives an encouraging context to these principles of corporal punishment:

    St. Don Bosco on the Education and Discipline of Youth
    Published on October 20, 2019 by Mary Cooney https://mercyformarthas.com/2019/10/20/st-don-bosco-on-the-education-and-discipline-of-youth/ (caution: this is not a Traditional Catholic site)
    Last post, I shared with you St. Don Bosco’s secret to discipline.  Did you read how he could get 500 boys to sit in a hall and study quietly and diligently, without threats or punishment?  If you have boys, St. Don Bosco is the saint for you! He is a shining example for parents and teachers. Today I share with you some of his own words of wisdom on education and discipline:

    On the Goal of Education:
    For you to become the consolation of your family, the honor of your country, good citizens on earth in order to become one day blessed inhabitants of heaven.
    On Religion and Education:
    Only religion is capable of beginning and completing the mighty undertaking of an authentic education.
    Reason and Religion are the means which the educator ought to apply constantly, which he ought to teach, and which he himself ought to practice, if he wishes to be obeyed and to attain his end.
    Frequent Confession, frequent Communion, daily Mass are the pillars that ought to support an educational edifice, from which one would want to keep at bay threats and violence. Never require the youngsters to go to the Holy Sacraments, but just encourage them, and offer them every opportunity to make good use of them.
    On Educators:
    The educator at work amongst his pupils should make himself loved, if he wishes to be respected.
    The educator, having won the loving respect of his protégé, will be able to greatly influence him, warn him, counsel him, and also correct him.
    Act like a caring father. You will obtain anything from your children if they realize that you are seeking their own good.
    Master your own character, and then you will succeed in mastering those of your pupils.
    Remind them that humility is the source of all peace and that they should learn to put up with the failings of others since there is no perfection in this world but only in the next.
    An educator is one devoted to the well-being of his students, and for this reason ought to be ready to face every inconvenience, every fatigue in order to achieve his goal, which is the civil, moral and intellectual education of his students.
    On Discipline:
    The basic reason (why young people get into trouble) is youthful fickleness which in a moment can forget the rules of discipline and the punishments they threaten.
    Give them ample liberty to jump, run, make a din as much as they please. Gymnastics, music, declamation (of poems, etc), theatricals, hikes, are very effective methods for getting discipline; they favour good living and good health. One must only ensure that the plot, the characters and the dialogue are not unsuitable.
    Boys should not only be loved; but realize that they are loved.
    (Children will know they are loved) by being loved in the things they like, by a sharing in their youthful interests… Let (teachers) like what pleases the youngsters and the youngsters will come to like what pleases the superiors. In this way their work will be made easy.
    Punishment should be your last resort. In my long career as an educator, how often this has been brought home to me! No doubt it is ten times easier to lose our patience than to control it, to threaten a boy than to persuade him. No doubt too, it is much more gratifying to our pride to punish those who resist us, than to bear them with firm kindness. Saint Paul often lamented how some converts to the faith too easily returned to their inveterate habits; yet he bore it all with patience as zealous as it was admirable. This is the kind of patience we need in dealing with the young.
    Laws which are enforced by punishments stir up hatred and give rise to bitterness, whilst laws which are not enforced at all arouse only contempt for the superiors and cause serious disorders… (Instead), Let the superior be all things to everyone, ready to listen to the troubles or complaints of the boys, watching over their conduct with a father’s care, whole-hearted in his efforts for the spiritual and temporal welfare of those whom Providence has entrusted to him.
    (Note: St. Don Bosco did have rules, but using punishments to enforce them was his last resort.  According to this paper, “Don Boso made use of corrections within a wide range of interventions of ascending seriousness: suggestions, advice, recommendations, reminders, warnings and threats of punishments. These were not ‘punishments’ strictly speaking, but interventions to help the pupils to avoid light-headedness and prevent bad habits from taking root, and at the same time to accustom them to a sense of propriety and help them cultivate good habits in thinking, speaking, and acting. Correction in these terms is of the essense of Don Bosco’s preventative system, because if boys were never to make a mistake, they would hardly be boys and would not be in need of education.” – Joaquim D’Souza)
    Long experience has taught me that patience is the only remedy for even the worst cases of disobedience and irresponsiveness. Sometimes, after making many patient efforts without obtaining success, I deemed it necessary to resort to severe measures. Yet these never achieved anything, and in the end I always found that charity finally triumphed where severity had met with failure. Charity is the cure-all though it may be slow in affecting its cure.
    How to correct children:
    Never, as far as possible, correct in public, but in private, apart from others.
    Many times an indirect method of correcting is useful. For example, while in the presence of one at fault, speak to another about the folly of those who do lose their self-respect and good sense and so deserve punishment.
    Wait until the child is calm. Never correct a boy while he is still under the influence of his own temper. A correction given at that time would only serve to embitter him and make things worse. Give him time to reflect, to enter into himself – he will realize that he is wrong.
    Pick the best moment. Correct at the proper time, if you wish correction to do any good. I have often reflected on the story of Saint Paul’s conversion. He had gone to the High Priest “breathing threats of slaughter against the disciples of the Lord.” See how our Lord bides his time. He lets the persecutor give vent to his passion. He waits for him to complete his journey. Then at the very gates of Damascus, after Saul has had plenty of time for reflection, when he is far away from those who might encourage him to persist in his resolution to persecute the Christians, Jesus reveals himself in all his authority and power! By the strength of his meekness, he converts Saul’s hatred and opens his eyes to his error; from a persecutor, Saul becomes the apostle of the Gentiles.
    Appeal to reason and responsibility. Let the one you correct understand that you act out of duty and according to reason. Try to make him realize his fault and that it deserves punishment. Then mitigate it. In this way he will willingly accept it.
    Sweeten correction with comfort. Correction at times brings about anxiety and fear. A word of comfort can easily offset this. A person who forgets and helps the culprit to forget is a true educator.
    Thank you for sharing this!

    We have 3 boys and I just started homeschooling with the oldest.  Getting him to stay focused for more than 2 minutes is a struggle.  Patience is definitely hard and something I need to work on. 😅

    There was a really good book I read once on the life of Saint John Bosco.  I wish I could remember the name so I could get another copy.  😣

    Anyhow...  In the book there was one section that really stuck with me.  

    Sain't John Bosco's mother had gone to live with him and help him take care of the house, cooking, cleaning mending and the many needs of the home.  One day she came to him after completely losing patience with the boys and saying that she was done and was leaving.  She had spent many long hours nurturing a garden to help feed all the boys and everything was about at the point of ripeness.   The boys had been playing ball outside and in their excitement completely destroyed the garden and everything in it.

    Sain't John Bosco did manage to convince his mother to remain for the sake of Our Lord Crucified but the story stuck with me because I try to grow food and herbs outside and the little boys often destroy much of my work.  I bring this story back to mind whenever I start to get frustrated and remind myself that even the saints were tested to the ends of their patience.

    That being said...  Knowing when corporal punishment is necessary and when it is not is definitely a skill and a virtue (prudence).  May God help all of us Catholic parents to be well balanced in regards to our children and disciplining them as is best for them. :pray:
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Corporal Punishment (no. 907)
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  • The corporal discipline I grew up with was “safe and effective.”  :fryingpan:  It was for moral offenses only, not childish faults or weaknesses.  It was on the place God intended for sitting  and for spanking.  Mom had a big wooden spoon, Dad used the razor strop.  You got as many whacks as your age.  They hurt, but not to point of injury or leaving marks.  They were administered after a reminder what they were for, and never in anger.  Once puberty was reached, no more spankings.  In their place was “getting smoked” like in the military, performing other distasteful physical activities, or, for chronic misbehavior, you’d lose your bed, (sleep on the floor in the hall), all but the clothes picked out by Mom or Dad, your bicycle, driving privileges, go on bread and water for a day, be confined to quarters, etc.  This worked because you pretty much knew X would happen if you did Y.  It was consistent and matter of fact, no yelling, screaming, or out of control parent.  
    If we got punished in school, we got punished again at home for bring shame on our family.  Whole class or group school punishments were not re-issued unless we were personally guilty.  For example, if I came home having to write, “I will practice first-time obedience.” 150 times in cursive in blue or black ink because other children were ignoring directions, my mother always said to do it in reparation for something we DID do and didn’t get caught!  Or to offer it up for the souls in Purgatory.  


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  • The corporal discipline I grew up with was “safe and effective.”  :fryingpan:  It was for moral offenses only, not childish faults or weaknesses.  It was on the place God intended for sitting  and for spanking.  Mom had a big wooden spoon, Dad used the razor strop.  You got as many whacks as your age.  They hurt, but not to point of injury or leaving marks.  They were administered after a reminder what they were for, and never in anger.  Once puberty was reached, no more spankings.  In their place was “getting smoked” like in the military, performing other distasteful physical activities, or, for chronic misbehavior, you’d lose your bed, (sleep on the floor in the hall), all but the clothes picked out by Mom or Dad, your bicycle, driving privileges, go on bread and water for a day, be confined to quarters, etc.  This worked because you pretty much knew X would happen if you did Y.  It was consistent and matter of fact, no yelling, screaming, or out of control parent. 
    If we got punished in school, we got punished again at home for bring shame on our family.  Whole class or group school punishments were not re-issued unless we were personally guilty.  For example, if I came home having to write, “I will practice first-time obedience.” 150 times in cursive in blue or black ink because other children were ignoring directions, my mother always said to do it in reparation for something we DID do and didn’t get caught!  Or to offer it up for the souls in Purgatory. 
    If I remember right, you were a teacher for many years.  I would love to hear any tips you might have on how to keep children focused for school and what sort of discipline might be appropriate in regards to different ages.
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