Author Topic: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913) (Read 36901 times)

Meg · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2025, 09:56:07 AM »

Quote from: Johannes on January 17, 2025, 05:10:34 PM

Now the idea of being united against an antipope is very Catholic indeed.

If this is true, then there would have been many times in the history of the Catholic Church when the laity would have been united against the Pope. Would you care to explain all of the those times in Church history?

And in order to be "united" all of the laity in the world would have to have been in on it. How would that have been possible in the old days, with limited communication?

Or are you perhaps speaking of the rebellions of Martin Luther, John Calvin, and the like? Though it wasn't specifically the Pope that they rallied people against, but rather they rallied against the Catholic Church in general, kind of like what you are doing.

Stubborn · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2025, 10:56:12 AM »

Quote from: Johannes on January 18, 2025, 08:13:35 AM

It doesn't say what you think it does. In order to contradict the pope, he would have to be the pope in the 1st place - you read it like a pharisee.

Whether you think popes are popes or not is irrelevant to what he says in no uncertain terms. But of your own free will you will not accept the words he speaks under any circuмstances. Instead all you can say is he does not mean what he says because popes are not popes - all the while he is talking about popes who are heretics. Imagine that, he tells us what we must do in the case of a heretic pope. You refuse to listen because you refuse to believe a pope can be a heretic.

Stubborn · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2025, 10:58:06 AM »

Quote from: Johannes on January 18, 2025, 08:22:50 AM

Oh yes, makes sense! What you think is the Church's legal structure (as what is actually being utilized by the false church) has surely NOT been "threatened, violated, or destroyed" as the result of V2 and the post-conciliar false popes. Everything is tiptop

We've already been through this, to you there is no Church left, you have effectively done away with it in order to maintain a vacant chair.

Meg · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2025, 11:53:40 AM »

Quote from: Johannes on January 18, 2025, 10:14:37 AM

There have been 46 antipopes in Church history - in those instances many of the laity were united against them, only the ignorant, or maliciously false "Catholics" accepted them.

Further your argument is a non-sequitur for an additional reason: "In order for what you say to be true, it MUST have happened "many times" in Church history." Sorry, unique and original things have/do happen in Church history - but even still as I said above, there have been 46 antipopes, so you can see especially in the example of Anacletus II that he was voted in the SAME DAY as Innocent II - Anacletus had the majority support/votes of the Cardinals, and he was accepted by ALL the laity of Rome. But he was NOT the true pope but rather a "beast of the Apocalypse who was sitting in the Throne of Peter, crouching like a lion ready to devour his prey." (St. Bernard).

Luther et al. rebelled against the papacy as a Divine Institution. By your twisted logic, I guess you will have to accuse St. Bernard, and St. Vincent Ferrer of being one of them (not a big stretch for someone who already believes canonizations are fallible).

It matters not if Luther rebelled against the Papacy. You have made it so that there cannot ever be any Papacy in the future - except for in a church that you start, as Luther and Calvin started their own churches. You want to elect your own Pope, isn't that correct? A Pope of your own church. You may believe that your church is the TRUE Catholic Church, but it cannot be. Except for the Pope aspect, you are no different than Luther or Calvin.

Meg · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2025, 11:24:12 PM »

Quote from: Johannes on January 18, 2025, 12:14:26 PM

Now what?

Have faith and trust God - like Catholics have always had to do no matter what may come.

Now What? You want to start a crusade, it seems, so that you can rally trads to join your church and elect your own Pope. Good luck with that. Any takers so far? How many trads do you have for your conclave so far?

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