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Offline Meg

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2025, 10:57:43 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 17, 2025, 05:10:34 PM
There would never be any benefit in being against the true Holy Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, who speaks with the voice of Peter - such as you claim be - the only place that leads is to heresy.

Now the idea of being united against an antipope is very Catholic indeed.

Since when have the laity ever been united against an anti-Pope before Vatican II? 
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Offline Meg

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2025, 11:13:46 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 17, 2025, 01:10:50 PM
I both agree and disagree.

I agree that every true Catholic both professing with lips and believing in their heart that Francis is not pope would unify us, simply because trads all claim to have the true faith, so what disunites us is actually the source of disunity - a false pope. So denouncing him AS SUCH IN A UNIFIED MANNER is actually essential to unity.

I disagree about it being a pipedream. IMO this "wave of unity" is actually (aside from direct Divine intervention) the most logical way to reestablish the visibility of the Church. Right now, the heretics have taken over all our stuff. If we want it back, we will have to take it by force. We don't have Catholic states with armies anymore. But they don't have enough bullets to stop a million unarmed people from marching on the Vatican and grabbing the usurper, and fake Cardinals and throwing them into the Tiber. If we were all united in that action, after it was done an imperfect council of trad clergy could elect a true pope and from the unity established by the true papacy, he could settle all the disputes, and the Church would reestablish Her visibility. It has to start with God raising up true leaders like St. Bernard, St. Vincent, St. Athanasius, etc., who command authority and inspire people to sacrifice. Now I know there are many "what ifs", obstacles, difficulties, impracticalities, etc. to this scenario, but I for one would be willing to be in the front rank and take the first volley of lead and allow everyone else to march over my bloody corpse for the greater glory of God and the exultation of Holy Mother Church (so that is not much, because I am nobody and my life is insignificant). But if there were 999,999 more who thought the same - THEY COULDN"T STOP US WITHOUT NUKING THE WHOLE THING. Not enough bullets to take us all out. Strength in numbers, what they fear most is our unified opposition in both how we view them, how we speak of them, and how we act towards them.

So if you can just bully everyone here into accepting your view of how to unify trads, then everything will be just fine? 

Do you really believe that you are a saint that can lead trads to ending the Crisis?
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2025, 11:37:25 PM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter on January 11, 2025, 07:41:11 PM
Thus we have the Company of Mary with Fr Chazal, the Apostles of Jesus and Mary with Bishop Faure, the Priory of Villeneuve with Fr Pivert, the Dominicans of Avrille, the Benedictines of Bellaigue and various priestly confraternities under the authority of the “Resistance” bishops and different priories . . . all gathered together under the moral and spiritual authority of the seven bishops of the “Resistance.”

The Benedictines of Bellaigue?

That's a first, to hear that they are with the Resistance. I wonder if that was meant to be Brazil? Can anyone confirm this?
We now have confirmation of this thanks to MarcelJude's posting of this recent sermon of Fr Chazal https //www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-sermons/updates-trump-pope-francis-sspx-and-the-resistance-pere-chazal-mcspx/msg968958/#msg968958

Bishop Morgon recently offered a pontifical Mass there. Looks like they have finally arrived! May the monasteries of the Capuchins and Transfiguration follow suit...
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2025, 04:34:18 AM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 17, 2025, 05:10:34 PM
There would never be any benefit in being against the true Holy Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, who speaks with the voice of Peter - such as you claim be - the only place that leads is to heresy.

Now the idea of being united against an antipope is very Catholic indeed.
There is also no virtue in scorning papal directives, specifically the Catholic directive given to us by Pope Paul IV in cuм ex. For anyone to go contrary to his directive - which is what you are proposing - is anti-Catholic.  As I've said repeatedly, there is absolutely nothing complicated about this. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2025, 04:50:31 AM »
Quote from: hollingsworth on January 17, 2025, 10:57:30 PM
Wasn't there at least one time in history where the Catholic citizens of Rome rose up against a sitting pope and replaced him with another?  It was done without cardinals or a conclave, but simply a unanimous election by the people.
If this ever happened - and personally I do not believe it ever happened - but if it ever happened it would not and could not have happened after 1059 when the pope, Nicholas II, decreed that only cardinals could elect a pope.

This yay-hoo Johannas simply does away with this decree, along with all of the cardinals, popes' teachings, and everything and anything else put in place by the Church in order that he can maintain a vacant chair no matter what. Nothing, absolutely nothing stands in his way that might hinder his anti-Catholic crusade.

He personifies Fr. Wathen's words that sedevacantism is inherently anarchistic, "...sedevacantists argue themselves into a mentality of total lawlessness, the *only* consequence of which is that the total legal structure of the Church is either threatened, or it is violated or destroyed, that is the result of anarchism." 
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