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Offline hollingsworth

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2025, 12:46:47 PM »

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What if bishop Williamson was united with Vigano in how he viewed Francis? and then they united with the SV bishops, and then the rest of the Resistance bishops, the SSPX, the FSSP, etc. That wave of unity in declared opposition to an antipope is what I pray for, but it starts with each individual Catholic and how they view Francis.
This is the pipe dream, I imagine, of a lot of Trads.  One thing is for certain:  THIS MAN FANCIS IS NOT A POPE!!!  That matter settled in the minds of all trads, of whatever stripe, would go a long way towards reunification.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2025, 01:25:33 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 17, 2025, 01:10:50 PM
I both agree and disagree.

I agree that every true Catholic both professing with lips and believing in their heart that Francis is not pope would unify us, simply because trads all claim to have the true faith, so what disunites us is actually the source of disunity - a false pope. So denouncing him AS SUCH IN A UNIFIED MANNER is actually essential to unity.

I disagree about it being a pipedream. IMO this "wave of unity" is actually (aside from direct Divine intervention) the most logical way to reestablish the visibility of the Church. Right now, the heretics have taken over all our stuff. If we want it back, we will have to take it by force. We don't have Catholic states with armies anymore. But they don't have enough bullets to stop a million unarmed people from marching on the Vatican and grabbing the usurper, and fake Cardinals and throwing them into the Tiber. If we were all united in that action, after it was done an imperfect council of trad clergy could elect a true pope and from the unity established by the true papacy, he could settle all the disputes, and the Church would reestablish Her visibility. It has to start with God raising up true leaders like St. Bernard, St. Vincent, St. Athanasius, etc., who command authority and inspire people to sacrifice. Now I know there are many "what ifs", obstacles, difficulties, impracticalities, etc. to this scenario, but I for one would be willing to be in the front rank and take the first volley of lead and allow everyone else to march over my bloody corpse for the greater glory of God and the exultation of Holy Mother Church (so that is not much, because I am nobody and my life is insignificant). But if there were 999,999 more who thought the same - THEY COULDN"T STOP US WITHOUT NUKING THE WHOLE THING. Not enough bullets to take us all out. Strength in numbers, what they fear most is our unified opposition in both how we view them, how we speak of them, and how we act towards them.
What an anti-Catholic thing to be united in.

Catholics are unified when they do their Catholic duty to pray and do penance for the poor man - whose particular judgement will be as harsh as it gets, not unified in deposing him. Where do you come up with this stuff?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2025, 03:02:04 PM »
Which St. Bernard? The one a breed of dog is named for, or the one who gave us the Memorare? Where do you come up with this anti-Catholic crap you keep spewing anyway?

You act as if there is some benefit derived from all trads unifying against the pope, just fyi, not only is the idea evil in and of itself, there is no virtue in it, nothing good could possibly come of it. You were told quite clearly exactly what we must do about a heretic pope, but you scorn the papal directive - and look at you now, wanting to unify the trads in that which is blatantly anti-Catholic.
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Offline Cera

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2025, 05:31:47 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on January 17, 2025, 01:10:50 PM
I for one would be willing to be in the front rank and take the first volley of lead and allow everyone else to march over my bloody corpse for the greater glory of God and the exultation of Holy Mother Church (so that is not much, because I am nobody and my life is insignificant). But if there were 999,999 more who thought the same - THEY COULDN"T STOP US WITHOUT NUKING THE WHOLE THING. Not enough bullets to take us all out.
This sort of blathering is exactly why the Feds have targeted traditional Catholics.
If you don't stop this nonsense, you are exposing yourself as a Fed Fed Fed.
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Offline hollingsworth

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2025, 10:57:30 PM »
Wasn't there at least one time in history where the Catholic citizens of Rome rose up against a sitting pope and replaced him with another?  It was done without cardinals or a conclave, but simply a unanimous election by the people.
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