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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2025, 01:39:09 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on January 11, 2025, 12:54:42 PM

But ironically, Bp. Williamson is united with the ex-Consiliar Archbishop.

So, what part of the term "ex-" do you fail to comprehend?  Should I find a dictionary entry for you to look it up?

You also need to explore, ponder, and reflect upon your understanding of the term "united" ... as apart from an occasional exchange of letters and a conditional consecration (Williamson had done Sacraments even for Feeneyites and others), I'm not sure I see much "uniting" going on between him and +Vigano.
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Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2025, 02:42:38 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 11, 2025, 01:39:09 PM
So, what part of the term "ex-" do you fail to comprehend?  Should I find a dictionary entry for you to look it up?

You also need to explore, ponder, and reflect upon your understanding of the term "united" ... as apart from an occasional exchange of letters and a conditional consecration (Williamson had done Sacraments even for Feeneyites and others), I'm not sure I see much "uniting" going on between him and +Vigano.
Vigano:

1. Was a consiliar prelate for 50 years, the 8th highest ranking member of the Bergolian schism.
2. He was and is still a member of Opus Dei, something you deny.
3. While there has been no visible evidence, of his traditional Apostolic re-consecration, you believe it...even though Vigano doesn't want to discuss it.

So why are you so uptight about these facts?   Is it embarrassing?  
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2025, 07:41:11 PM »
Thus we have the Company of Mary with Fr Chazal, the Apostles of Jesus and Mary with Bishop Faure, the Priory of Villeneuve with Fr Pivert, the Dominicans of Avrille, the Benedictines of Bellaigue and various priestly confraternities under the authority of the “Resistance” bishops and different priories . . . all gathered together under the moral and spiritual authority of the seven bishops of the “Resistance.”

The Benedictines of Bellaigue?

That's a first, to hear that they are with the Resistance. I wonder if that was meant to be Brazil? Can anyone confirm this?
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Offline Clare67

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2025, 07:56:14 PM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter on January 11, 2025, 07:41:11 PM
Thus we have the Company of Mary with Fr Chazal, the Apostles of Jesus and Mary with Bishop Faure, the Priory of Villeneuve with Fr Pivert, the Dominicans of Avrille, the Benedictines of Bellaigue and various priestly confraternities under the authority of the “Resistance” bishops and different priories . . . all gathered together under the moral and spiritual authority of the seven bishops of the “Resistance.”

The Benedictines of Bellaigue?

That's a first, to hear that they are with the Resistance. I wonder if that was meant to be Brazil? Can anyone confirm this?
I saw that too and wondered if that was a typo.  I looked on the French SSPX website, La Porte Latine, to see if they were listed and they are not.  The Benedictine Nuns are listed, in Perdechat, but not the monks of Bellaigue.

https://laportelatine.org/communautes-amies
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Eleison Comments - Charity 2025 (no. 913)
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2025, 12:12:23 AM »
Quote from: Clare67 on January 11, 2025, 07:56:14 PM
I saw that too and wondered if that was a typo.  I looked on the French SSPX website, La Porte Latine, to see if they were listed and they are not.  The Benedictine Nuns are listed, in Perdechat, but not the monks of Bellaigue.

https://laportelatine.org/communautes-amies
The Bellaigue Benedictine monks (but not the nuns) certainly had a falling out with the SSPX in 2019 but there has never been any indication that they aligned themselves with the Resistance. Here is an excerpt from an EC of August 2019 "Sliding Still I":

However, with the Society’s major change of direction which became public in 2012, relations of these houses with the Society have become problematic, because its leaders have naturally wanted these influential religious to change direction also. Several years ago the SSPX broke off relations with the Dominicans of Avrillé who were considered to be too independent, while the Franciscans have needed over the same period of time to adopt a policy carefully balanced between co-operation and independence. And as for the Benedictines, their young Superior from Brazil, Dom Placide, came last August under particular pressure from the Society.
Summoned to Menzingen by Fr Pagliarani, he was rebuked for his lack of co-operation with the Society, and a piece of paper was put before him by which he was to sign over to the Society all control over the Benedictine Monastery! When – to put it politely – he declined the offer, he was threatened that the whole world would be told that the SSPX was cutting off all relations with the Monastery. Dom Placide replied that it was up to the SG to do what he thought best, whereupon the threat changed. Now the threat was that all priories of the Society would be ordered to send no more vocations to Bellaigue. And this threat has been carried out . Dom Placide declined the offer to stay for lunch in Menzingen.
We are entitled to speculate upon such a conversation. If we wish to keep up our hopes for Fr Pagliarani personally, we might speculate that he himself was directed to use such bully tactics upon the relatively young head of the Benedictines. But he cannot avoid the responsibility for at least consenting to act the part of the bully. More seriously, the bully tactics suggest that Rome and Menzingen are plotting jointly to sweep together under the Society all presently independent Traditional groupings, and then to restructure the Society and replace it by a Personal Prelature under Conciliar Rome’s complete control. This would have two advantages for Rome’s war on Tradition: firstly the independence and last traces of Archbishop Lefebvre in the structure of the Society which he designed would disappear, and secondly Rome could then gently strangle, together with the Society, all Traditional groupings and initiatives in one fell swoop. Nor would the Society’s present leaders disapprove of the fell swoop, on the contrary, because as they gently dropped dead of the strangling they would at least have the official recognition for which they have striven for so long.


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