To me, the following scenario of a diabolical activity is just as likely as that God was trying to tell us something.

Let's assume that the New Mass is invalid and/or displeasing to God and that Bergoglio in his activities as Francis is not pleasing to God.  But in order to cast doubt on this, the devil concocts this miracle in order to get people thinking that the New Mass might be valid/pleasing to God, that Bergoglio might be a holy man after all, that Traditional Catholicism which criticizes both the New Mass and Bergoglio might be false, and that Bishop Williamson should announce publicly to people that one might attend the New Mass under certain circuмstances.  In that case, mission accomplished for the devil based upon the replies we see on this thread.  Lots of damage done through the simple act of finding a piece of cardiac tissue somewhere.

Pure speculation, therefore, utterly worthless.

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To me, the following scenario of a diabolical activity is just as likely as that God was trying to tell us something.

Let's assume that the New Mass is invalid and/or displeasing to God and that Bergoglio in his activities as Francis is not pleasing to God.  But in order to cast doubt on this, the devil concocts this miracle in order to get people thinking that the New Mass might be valid/pleasing to God, that Bergoglio might be a holy man after all, that Traditional Catholicism which criticizes both the New Mass and Bergoglio might be false, and that Bishop Williamson should announce publicly to people that one might attend the New Mass under certain circuмstances.  In that case, mission accomplished for the devil based upon the replies we see on this thread.  Lots of damage done through the simple act of finding a piece of cardiac tissue somewhere.

Pure speculation, therefore, utterly worthless.

Except that I am not the one drawing conclusions from this.  YOU ARE.  Your conclusions are just as worthless as any I might make.  Except of course that I'm not making any conclusions.  I'm saying in fact that no conclusion can be drawn EITHER WAY about this.

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 if God were to work a miracle in relation to the New Mass, this would entail a tacit endorsement of the New Mass ... which IMO He would not do if it indeed displeases Him. Let me repeat.  We do NOT draw theological conclusions from these things and they must be ignored.


Again, you know this how?  How do you know "what it means"?  You're making it up.  It's pure speculation.  And, as such, it's utterly worthless.

I couldn't say it better so I'll let your own words speak for me.

Evidently your logical faculties fail you.  YOU are the one who's claiming that these purported miracles mean something.  I am saying that they mean nothing.  My point was that my own speculation is every bit as plausible as yours.  Go take a course in Logic 101 and then rejoin this thread.

I have no fear that +Williamson will in any way endorse or take a position that favors the N.O.

And where have you been?  He's already condoned attending the NOM.

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I have no fear that +Williamson will in any way endorse or take a position that favors the N.O.

And where have you been?  He's already condoned attending the NOM.

Shows Fr. Wathen for a good shepherd.  He warned people about the Novus Ordo and stayed away from it himself.  Also condemned the Indult/Motu Masses.  Did not change his positions - knew the conspiracy in the Church and the tricks of the hierarchy.  

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I have no fear that +Williamson will in any way endorse or take a position that favors the N.O.

And where have you been?  He's already condoned attending the NOM.

Oh please. That whole comment was blown WAY out of proportion. It gets better ever time it's told. By now, there should be rumors he's saying the NOM itself.

He made a bad judgment call giving a lady private advice in a public forum, and he was CRUCIFIED for it. I think the reaction was way overblown. No rule has changed, and +W is still a huge proponent of the Resistance and rejecting the Novus Ordo -- at least for those who understand. But what about those (objective) fools who don't understand? But I'm not going to get into that discussion again.

But like I said: "sedevacantists".  They'll take anything they can get to go on another attack. It's what they do.

I hope I'm not referring to any members here. But to anyone who enjoyed the various CRAP coming out of certain sede quarters regarding +Williamson a few months ago -- well, there's not much I can say.

Evidently your logical faculties fail you.  YOU are the one who's claiming that these purported miracles mean something.  I am saying that they mean nothing.  My point was that my own speculation is every bit as plausible as yours.  Go take a course in Logic 101 and then rejoin this thread.

I am saying that they mean nothing to YOU.  You can't say they "mean nothing" to those involved and who witnessed it.

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I have no fear that +Williamson will in any way endorse or take a position that favors the N.O.

And where have you been?  He's already condoned attending the NOM.

Oh please. That whole comment was blown WAY out of proportion.

I wrote that he "condoned" it.  I never said that he endorsed it, promoted it, or offered it.  But, speaking of "facts", Matthew, it's a straightforward fact that +Williamson condoned attendance at the New Mass.

And this "miracle" appears to validate such attendance.