Author Topic: Eleison Comments CDXXXVI (436) Nov. 22, 2015 A.D. (Read 21612 times)

covet truth · « **Reply #60 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:18:57 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

To me, the following scenario of a diabolical activity is just as likely as that God was trying to tell us something.

Let's assume that the New Mass is invalid and/or displeasing to God and that Bergoglio in his activities as Francis is not pleasing to God. But in order to cast doubt on this, the devil concocts this miracle in order to get people thinking that the New Mass might be valid/pleasing to God, that Bergoglio might be a holy man after all, that Traditional Catholicism which criticizes both the New Mass and Bergoglio might be false, and that Bishop Williamson should announce publicly to people that one might attend the New Mass under certain circuмstances. In that case, mission accomplished for the devil based upon the replies we see on this thread. Lots of damage done through the simple act of finding a piece of cardiac tissue somewhere.

Pure speculation, therefore, utterly worthless.

Stubborn · « **Reply #61 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:26:44 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Matthew
Both were stubborn even in the face of facts.

We begin with the conclusion, based upon theological principles, that the New Mass displeases and offends God. But here were have a purported miracle which suggest the contrary.

While I can imagine a Host turning into blood might suggest the contrary to some who are already willfully blind to the abomination of the NOM, that thought never entered my mind nor does it seem to have entered the thoughts of others here.

To me, valid miracle or not, it likely means that particular NO service (and therefore many other NO services) are valid sacrileges which greatly offend God - perhaps so much so that He chose to show His pain and sorrow on this occasion. Why He chose to do this we will never know unless He reveals His reason.

Like you, I fear +Williamson will not leave it at that but will draw some theological conclusions from this which in some way, shape or form favors the NO, which I agree, is incredibly dangerous.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #62 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:35:18 AM »

Quote from: covet truth

Quote from: Ladislaus

To me, the following scenario of a diabolical activity is just as likely as that God was trying to tell us something.

Let's assume that the New Mass is invalid and/or displeasing to God and that Bergoglio in his activities as Francis is not pleasing to God. But in order to cast doubt on this, the devil concocts this miracle in order to get people thinking that the New Mass might be valid/pleasing to God, that Bergoglio might be a holy man after all, that Traditional Catholicism which criticizes both the New Mass and Bergoglio might be false, and that Bishop Williamson should announce publicly to people that one might attend the New Mass under certain circuмstances. In that case, mission accomplished for the devil based upon the replies we see on this thread. Lots of damage done through the simple act of finding a piece of cardiac tissue somewhere.

Pure speculation, therefore, utterly worthless.

Except that I am not the one drawing conclusions from this. YOU ARE. Your conclusions are just as worthless as any I might make. Except of course that I'm not making any conclusions. I'm saying in fact that no conclusion can be drawn EITHER WAY about this.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #63 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:36:44 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

To me, valid miracle or not, it likely means that particular NO service (and therefore many other NO services) are valid sacrileges which greatly offend God

That's absolutely non sequitur. If it's "not" a valid miracle, then how does it "likely mean" that the NO is a valid sacrilege? Nothing of the sort follows from that.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #64 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:40:12 AM »

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Quote from: Ladislaus

if God were to work a miracle in relation to the New Mass, this would entail a tacit endorsement of the New Mass ... which IMO He would not do if it indeed displeases Him. Let me repeat. We do NOT draw theological conclusions from these things and they must be ignored.

Again, you know this how? How do you know "what it means"? You're making it up. It's pure speculation. And, as such, it's utterly worthless.

I couldn't say it better so I'll let your own words speak for me.

Evidently your logical faculties fail you. YOU are the one who's claiming that these purported miracles mean something. I am saying that they mean nothing. My point was that my own speculation is every bit as plausible as yours. Go take a course in Logic 101 and then rejoin this thread.