Author Topic: Eleison Comments CDXXXVI (436) Nov. 22, 2015 A.D. (Read 21556 times)

Ekim · « **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2015, 06:05:07 AM »

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that ABL ever said the New Mass, when said strictly in accordance to the rubrics and the original version , was invalid. What he said was that it was a danger to the faith. If this is true, then there is a possibility that the Mass in which this host came from did in fact confer transubstantiation.

2Vermont · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:38:18 AM »

It is interesting that this is part of today's gospel reading:

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.

It appears that the so-called EM's at a NO service are deceiving the elect.

To answer the poster above, I found this regading what ABL said about the New Mass:

Archbishop Lefebvre did not hesitate to speak publicly on the question of the orthodoxy and validity of Paul VI’s Mass. He considered that “one cannot say generally that the New Mass is invalid or heretical”; however, “it leads slowly to heresy.”

Why would Christ confirm a service that "leads slowly to heresy"? Also, regarding validity, the Church teaches that the Orthodox liturgy is "valid" but we never hear of EM's at Orthodox liturgies.

richard · « **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:38:23 AM »

Quote from: Ekim

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that ABL ever said the New Mass, when said strictly in accordance to the rubrics and the original version , was invalid. What he said was that it was a danger to the faith. If this is true, then there is a possibility that the Mass in which this host came from did in fact confer transubstantiation.

That was my thought also.

richard · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:39:55 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

It is interesting that this is part of today's gospel reading:

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.

It appears that the so-called EM's at a NO service are deceiving the elect.

To answer the poster above, I found this regading what ABL said about the New Mass:

Archbishop Lefebvre did not hesitate to speak publicly on the question of the orthodoxy and validity of Paul VI’s Mass. He considered that “one cannot say generally that the New Mass is invalid or heretical”; however, “it leads slowly to heresy.”

Why would Christ confirm a service that "leads slowly to heresy"? Also, regarding validity, the Church teaches that the Orthodox liturgy is "valid" but we never hear of EM's at Orthodox liturgies.

I don't think that it was a confirmation so much as a showing of displeasure.

2Vermont · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:43:24 AM »

Quote from: richard

Quote from: 2Vermont
It is interesting that this is part of today's gospel reading:

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.

It appears that the so-called EM's at a NO service are deceiving the elect.

To answer the poster above, I found this regading what ABL said about the New Mass:

Archbishop Lefebvre did not hesitate to speak publicly on the question of the orthodoxy and validity of Paul VI’s Mass. He considered that “one cannot say generally that the New Mass is invalid or heretical”; however, “it leads slowly to heresy.”

Why would Christ confirm a service that "leads slowly to heresy"? Also, regarding validity, the Church teaches that the Orthodox liturgy is "valid" but we never hear of EM's at Orthodox liturgies.

I don't think that it was a confirmation so much as a showing of displeasure.

Displeasure? How? The description of the EM sounds just like pre-Vatican II EM's.