Author Topic: Eleison Comments CDXXXVI (436) Nov. 22, 2015 A.D. (Read 21566 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #105 on:** November 24, 2015, 04:01:03 PM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria

If you put faith into this "miracle" you would be logically compelled to accept post V2 theology. You can't limit the implications of such a miracle merely to the validity of the sacrament. It would most certainly be a confirmation of the entire Conciliar approach.

That's the way I would look at it also.

holyfamily · « **Reply #106 on:** November 24, 2015, 06:45:59 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

No, Archbishop Lefebvre even celebrated the "new mass" since the beginning of April 1969 until December 24, 1970. There were many who were not happy about this, of course. For example, Fr. Guérard des Lauriers.

Fr. Guérard des Lauriers to Msgr. Lefèbvre:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f045ht_Lauriers01.htm

To those who would slander Archbishop Lefebvre concerning saying the NOM, below is an email exchange between Msgr. Williamson and a friend (with permission to post, email and name removed for privacy).

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:51 AM, RNW wrote:
Dear ,

Just before the priestly ordinations of Econe of 1976, the first year of a numerous Econe ordination (I was one of them). a delegation of priests came from Rome to Flavigny (where the pre=ordination retreat was taking place) to persuade the Archbishop to say JUST ONE New Mass, and then "all would be at peace with Rome", ie no more problems for Econe. They even tried to push a new missal into his hands !

The Archbishop refused. Is it likely he would have refused if he had already said a few times the New Mass ? For a while he adopted the 1967 reforms of the Mass, but as he used to say, within a few months he went back to the 1964 missal, because he felt the 1967 reforms undermining his Faith. That is as close as he ever got to saying the New Mass, i.e. nowhere near, because the 1967 missal is still Tridentine basically.

Let whoever just read Bishop Tissier's biography of the Archbishop. What a slander to say he said the New Mass. Diabolical !

In Christo, +Richard Williamson.

On 23 February 2011 17:23, wrote:
Your Excellency,

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B409_Lefebvre.html
I am in contact with the lady (Marian Horvat) who runs the above website as I just met her on my recent trip to Quito. Besides the fact that the Archbishop was instrumental in The Ottaviani Intervention, what else can I tell her to show the Archbishop would not have offered the New Mass as the above link accuses him of doing? Since you joined the SSPX in its beginning years, I thought I would ask you about this.

God bless,

Wessex · « **Reply #107 on:** November 24, 2015, 07:14:27 PM »

It has always been a mess to those whose religion was the straight and narrow and not the meandering path of the SSPX. The consecration of four irregular bishops with hardly any function than to posture for a time the supremacy of Econe was going to bite it on the backside one day. The subsequent exiling of three of these bishops was a backtracking response to its unsustainable R & R policy with other correcting measures to follow. There has been no real break with this policy in the case of the resistance and Bp. W still acts as though only the conciliar church holds the keys to the future of the Church even though the old and the new are further apart and are unlikely to converge this side of a Mars landing. This stark reality undoubtedly undermines any credibility given to strange happenings in odd places now and again. Why would messages from beyond have to be so convoluted, opaque and prone to misinterpretation? They do not inform the many other than to confuse.

AJNC · « **Reply #108 on:** November 25, 2015, 01:11:11 AM »

I hope Bp Williamson looks at a video recently put out by the Schism House. It is titled: Magicians Prove A Spiritual World Exists

2Vermont · « **Reply #109 on:** November 25, 2015, 06:54:21 AM »

Quote from: AJNC

I hope Bp Williamson looks at a video recently put out by the Schism House. It is titled: Magicians Prove A Spiritual World Exists

My husband and I just watched this over the past few days or so. One of the things that stuck with me were the "magicians" that walked on water.