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Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2019, 08:18:38 PM »
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  • Everyone has a right to his opinion. Maybe it would be more conducive to good conversation if you could explain what you mean by fringe conspiracy theories.  That verbiage surely is the product of MSM.
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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #16 on: January 22, 2019, 11:02:40 PM »
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  • +Williamson may certainly be classified as a conspiracy theorist..his beliefs and ideas again put forth in his latest column are undoubtably fringe group or minority.  While his theories are out there...even bordering on paranoia, I feel that many if not most trads follow along willingly. Note also...no one wants to be classified as fringe even though they follow fringe ideas.  Why is that??  Are these conspiracy theories now a part of the Catholic faith?  Because it sure as hell seems to be so.


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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #17 on: January 23, 2019, 12:32:51 AM »
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  • Bernadette, It appears that you cannot explain what you mean by fringe conspiracy theories, except to say they are "out there" whatever that means.  Can you give some examples, perhaps?
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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #18 on: January 23, 2019, 02:00:15 AM »
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  • I agree with Bernadette, but I am not sure it is a bad thing that Williamson is a conspiracy theorist.

    1.  99% of Bishops abandonned tradition and now teach socialist gobbledegook.  It is not like Bishop Williamson has a load of solid Catholic Bishop rivals talking complete common sense.    It is a choice between Williamson and a fαɢɢօty weakling who gives communion to abortionist politicians or agrees with the Darwinists.  We are not living in 1919.  The credibility of Churchmen is at an all time low, regardless of their musings on directed energy weapons.

    2.  If you are scandalised by Bishop Williamson then what do you make of the 99% who do nothing when the Pope allows communion for the divorce and remarried? 

    3.  I have seen solid evidence in comment sections, that with his public school accent Williamson has positively influenced people towards Catholicism.  LOTS and LOTS of people out there are LOOKING for guidance.  This is undeniable.

    He, at least, has the brass balls to go public with his thoughts, (some of which are correct).  He is not a silent little gnome hiding away in Switzerland and spending more time with accountants, than helping steer people through this world, which is undoubtedly very evil.  Where is Williamson's superior rival?  The 100% orthodox Bishop who explains the world with saintly prudence and with a tough and courageous spirit.  Such a man does not exist. 

    Once you are labelled a nut then you might as well run with that.  You can't please all of the people all of the time.  The conspiracy mindset is something that a subset of people are prone to.  But such people need a conspiratorial Bishop to help them make sense of the world.


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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #19 on: January 23, 2019, 09:43:59 AM »
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    +Williamson may certainly be classified as a conspiracy theorist..his beliefs and ideas again put forth in his latest column are undoubtably fringe group or minority.
    Bernadette, I didn't mean that you aren't allowed to disagree, all I'm saying is that +Williamson has ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY.  It's part of who he is, how he views history, how he perceives what is going on today.  You must be new to following him?  His mindset hasn't changed in 30+ years and it's not going to.

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    Once you are labelled a nut then you might as well run with that.  You can't please all of the people all of the time.  The conspiracy mindset is something that a subset of people are prone to.  But such people need a conspiratorial Bishop to help them make sense of the world.
    I'd also argue that Our Lady of Fatima started all of this conspiracy talk when She said that "Russia will spread her errors" (i.e. political chaos) and "the Holy Father will have much to suffer" (i.e. Church chaos) and "the good will be martyred" (i.e. social chaos).  Everyday, things deteriorate more and more, just like She said.  It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy FACT.


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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #20 on: January 23, 2019, 10:09:32 AM »
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  • For those who rely on corporate media for "news," the truth can seem loony.
    In re: to the fires, look into it. One example among many
    Directed Energy Weapons Involved in Northern California Fires?

    October 13, 2017 by YCNightingale 2 Comments
    10/13/2017 | CO
    (Update 10/24, 2017 – links with information about these technologies at bottom of article)
    We are facing a new kind of terrorism; UNnatural Disaster Terrorism. With multiple eyewitness accounts of “blue flashes”, and scenes reminiscent of , the Northern California “wildfires” are as unnatural as can be. The advanced technology these people have, much less their wanton disregard for human life in the land where we’re taught freedom reigns, is far beyond anything the average person can wrap their mind around. Youtuber ThePlaneTruth investigates:
    “Even the head of Cal Fire for the state said on CNN he had no idea what started the over 60 strikes that came out of nowhere in the middle of the night without warning. Sudden, unexplainable winds kicked up to 60-70mph, blue flashes and sparks were seen above by many, including me. Cars were torched, yet trees untouched. the car tire rubber and glass were nowhere to be found and homes were reduced to unrecognizable rubble. Glass and rubber take thousands of degrees to melt which means these fires generated there own direct heat, like a directed energy butane torch, except they are using directed energy LASER technology to pulse the plasma clouds, stir the wind for energy and release up to a trillion watts of laser power at any one source. This is why cars and homes completely melted but shrubs, leaves, plants and neighbors houses, were untouched.” (emph mine)
    A previous video about Canadian wildfires, also indicating the use of directed energy weapons

    I'm glad you posted this Cera.

    I live in a state that has many fires every summer (in the eastern part of Washington state), which I tend to keep track of when I travel there in the summer, and it seems evident to me that what is going on in those photos is not how fires normally work. The fire departments and crews in the area in which these fires started were caught off-guard when they started, and as such they were not able to deal with them.
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #21 on: January 23, 2019, 02:47:12 PM »
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  • For the record...I was once very dedicated to +Williamson and I still receive his eleison comments.  

    I wouldn’t even go so far as to say he is wrong..I simply tire of the traditional catholic tendency to latch onto to these conspiracy theories and run with them.  Since there is no certainty or proof they remain conspiracy theories. 

    It begins to feel like a fringe religion to be honest. 

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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #22 on: January 23, 2019, 03:23:44 PM »
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  • Yes, I do believe ‘really’.   It can be said as easily as you stated it without the continual fringe conspiracy theories thrown at us.

    Well, I think he very clearly left this one in the realm of "theory" ... laying it out rather tentatively.  Once you've become suspicious of the secular authorities and their intentions, one can't put ANYTHING past them.  I evaluate each conspiracy theory based on the facts available.

    It's practically irrefutable that 9/11 and the OKC bombing and the h0Ɩ0h0αx (past theories publicly embraced by His Excellency) were in fact cօռspιʀαcιҽs of grand proportions.  It's too bad that he won't entertain the greatest conspiracy theory, the election of Cardinal Siri and his uncanonical replacement by the Masonic-Jєω-Communist agents planted in the hierarchy.


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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #23 on: January 23, 2019, 03:27:55 PM »
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  • It begins to feel like a fringe religion to be honest.

    But, you see, that's precisely how the conspirators get away with everything.  They have programmed minds to equate conspiracy theory with lunacy.  They've done this quite deliberately so that the immediate knee-jerk reaction is for people to consider those who embrace them to be lunatics.  But we Catholics know that there is a great conspiracy in the world, one orchestrated by Satan himself.

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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #24 on: January 23, 2019, 03:38:24 PM »
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  • Lad: 
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    It's practically irrefutable that 9/11 and the OKC bombing and the h0Ɩ0h0αx (past theories publicly embraced by His Excellency) were in fact cօռspιʀαcιҽs of grand proportions.  It's too bad that he won't entertain the greatest conspiracy theory, the election of Cardinal Siri and his uncanonical replacement by the Masonic-Jєω-Communist agents planted in the hierarchy.

    It is irrefutable, w/o the need of adverb qualifier.  911, the OKC bombing and the so-called h0Ɩ0cαųst were all major hoaxes and lies.  And you're right, H.E. has exposed all of them at one time or another.  I cut +Williamson a lot of slack, because he is one bishop against the world, not to mention 99.9 % of the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.

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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #25 on: January 23, 2019, 03:57:40 PM »
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  • For the record...I was once very dedicated to +Williamson and I still receive his eleison comments.  

    I wouldn’t even go so far as to say he is wrong..I simply tire of the traditional catholic tendency to latch onto to these conspiracy theories and run with them.  Since there is no certainty or proof they remain conspiracy theories.

    It begins to feel like a fringe religion to be honest.

    1. How about you research the origin of the term "conspiracy theory". It should be enlightening for you. I'll give you a hint: it is a derogatory term, invented by bad guys, to be used as a convenient bludgeon against those who would expose them.

    2. Does conspiracy theory sound good or bad to you? Why?  It sounds bad to me, it sounds like something a crazy person espouses. And I strongly believe many of them!

    3. Break down the term. Conspiracy = one or more men getting together to develop and execute a plan, usually in secret. Theory = an explanation for something which happens to fit all the evidence; an hypothesis which has been tested many times. Now what is so insane about believing that there are 2 or more bad guys getting together to do evil? Do you not believe in evil, or you believe that bad guys must broadcast their plans to the world like a cartoon supervillain?  Or that no bad guys ever work together? Or that bad guys are always dumb and shortsighted, and never plan things years in advance? Do you believe the devil isn't real, or that the devil doesn't have men who work his long-term plans? Do you forget that the devil is immortal, so he might have big plans spanning centuries?

    4. How you or anyone else feels is irrelevant. What matters is what is. What is the objective reality, the truth of the matter?
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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #26 on: January 23, 2019, 04:15:47 PM »
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  • For the record...I was once very dedicated to +Williamson and I still receive his eleison comments.  

    I wouldn’t even go so far as to say he is wrong..I simply tire of the traditional catholic tendency to latch onto to these conspiracy theories and run with them.  Since there is no certainty or proof they remain conspiracy theories.

    It begins to feel like a fringe religion to be honest.
    What do you mean by "honest"?
    If you mean that it is your opinion without doing any actual research beyond what is spoon-fed by the corporate media, then I guess you are free to think of yourself as being "honest" in your subjective opinion.
    From the perspective of objective reality however, in order to be truly honest in an era of fakenews, one has the responsibility to complete one's research prior to coming to any conclusion. Have you done any research? Have you even looked at the information posted to back up the good Bishop?
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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #27 on: January 23, 2019, 04:22:48 PM »
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  • People like bernadette need to ask themselves: WHY am I so bothered by "conspiracy theories"? Is it because it places me in opposition to the world? I can't handle some attacks from pagans and worldlings?

    Also, are you a Traditional Catholic? The most basic Trad belief is that a secret conspiracy by Freemasons took place and they successfully infiltrated the Church, which resulted in Vatican II and the Crisis in the Church. The evidence for this is legion. I suppose some don't believe it, including many Indult attendees and "Latin Mass Catholics".

    But TRADS properly speaking should be firmly convinced of this. We oppose the Novus Ordo. Why? Because it matches up perfectly with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and its cult of man. Just spend a few hours researching Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, its rituals, its beliefs, then go analyze the Novus Ordo, attend a Novus Ordo Mass, analyze all the changes that took place after Vatican II, etc. and see if you can draw any patterns.

    It's simple, really.
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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #28 on: January 23, 2019, 04:33:59 PM »
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  • There certainly seems to have been a conspiracy to put an ENORMOUS proportion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs into the priesthood.

    Walk into any NO parish and there is a 50% chance the priest is camp.

    There are not that many homos in society, so who encouraged them all to join the seminaries.  Somebody must have!

    That is pretty diabolical.

    Not sure how the Russians are to blame; but there sure are a lot of poofters in newchurch.

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    Re: Eleison Comments” by Mgr. Williamson – Issue DCI (601)
    « Reply #29 on: January 23, 2019, 05:16:03 PM »
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  • Bella Dodd confessed to orchestrating a mass communist infiltration into the Church.  It’s no conspiracy.