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Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
« on: June 30, 2012, 06:51:22 PM »
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  • TWO ERRORS

    Whether or not the Society of St Pius X survives its present severe trial, liberals will keep coming back with false arguments to persuade it to commit ѕυιcιdє. Let us look at two more of them.

    The first has come up constantly in recent debates over whether the SSPX should accept some practical (non-doctrinal) agreement with Conciliar Rome. It is simple: a Catholic leader (or leaders) has graces of state from God, therefore he should not be criticized but automatically trusted. Answer: of course God is offering to every one of us at all times, and not only to leaders, the natural assistance and/or supernatural grace we all need to begin fulfilling our duty of state, but we have free-will to co-operate with that grace or to refuse it. If all Church leaders always co-operated with their graces of state, how could there ever have been Judas Iscariot ? And how could we ever have had Vatican II ? The argument from graces of state is as foolish as it is simple.

    The second argument is more serious. It was put forward last month in a ten-page article by a Mr. J.L. in a conservative Catholic periodical in England. It favoured a Rome-SSPX practical agreement. Here it is, abbreviated of course, but not distorted. The Catholic Church is today under heavy attack, from without (e.g. by the USA government) and from within (e.g. by bishops who love the good life but do not know their theology), and at the topmost level by a Vatican administration riddled with scandals and in-fighting. The Pope is besieged on all sides, and he is looking to the SSPX for help to re-establish within the Church the sane influence of the Church’s past, in which he believes, even if he also believes in Vatican II. Monsignor Bux gave voice to the Pope’s appeal: if only the SSPX would respond by accepting a practical agreement, it would immensely benefit not only the whole Church but also the SSPX itself. Fr Aulagnier, a former high-up SSPX priest, cl early sees as much.

    Dear J.L., full marks for your love of the Church and recognition of its problems, for your concern for the Pope and your desire to help him, but low marks for your grasp of where those problems come from and of what the SSPX is all about. Like one zillion souls in today’s Church and world, including Fr. Aulagnier, you miss the absolutely basic importance of the doctrine of the Faith.

    The USA government attacks because the Church is weak. The Church is weak because the bishops’ poor behavior follows on their poor grasp of the doctrine of Heaven, Hell, sin, damnation, redemption, saving grace and the Redeemer’s ever-present sacrifice in the true Mass. The bishops have such a poor grasp of these world-saving truths because, amongst other things, the Bishop of bishops only half believes them. The Pope only half believes them because the other half of him believes in Vatican II. Vatican II undermines all the true religion of God by the deadly ambiguities planted throughout its docuмents (as you recognize), and designed to put man in the place of God.

    Dear J.L., false doctrine is the basic problem. By the grace of God the SSPX has up till now upheld Jesus Christ’s true teachings, but if it put itself under Church authorities only half-believing them at best, it would soon stop attacking error (as is already happening), and it would finish by promoting error, and with error all the horrors you mention. God forbid !

    Kyrie eleison.

    © 2012 Richard N. Williamson. All Rights Reserved.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 08:03:19 PM »
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  • I could quote the whole letter. Bp. Williamson is a master communicator.

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    but if it put itself under Church authorities only half-believing them at best, it would soon stop attacking error (as is already happening),


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
    « Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 05:44:56 PM »
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  • Oh boy! I'm always excited to read H.E.'s latest EC but this one is very special.

    The three paragraphs that STAND OUT from the others are these:





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    TWO ERRORS

    Whether or not the Society of St Pius X survives its present severe trial, liberals will keep coming back with false arguments to persuade it to commit ѕυιcιdє. Let us look at two more of them.

    The first has come up constantly in recent debates over whether the SSPX should accept some practical (non-doctrinal) agreement with Conciliar Rome. It is simple: a Catholic leader (or leaders) has graces of state from God, therefore he should not be criticized but automatically trusted. Answer: of course God is offering to every one of us at all times, and not only to leaders, the natural assistance and/or supernatural grace we all need to begin fulfilling our duty of state, but we have free-will to co-operate with that grace or to refuse it. If all Church leaders always co-operated with their graces of state, how could there ever have been Judas Iscariot ? And how could we ever have had Vatican II ? The argument from graces of state is as foolish as it is simple.

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    Dear J.L., false doctrine is the basic problem. By the grace of God the SSPX has up till now upheld Jesus Christ’s true teachings, but if it put itself under Church authorities only half-believing them at best, it would soon stop attacking error (as is already happening), and it would finish by promoting error, and with error all the horrors you mention. God forbid !

    Kyrie eleison.

    © 2012 Richard N. Williamson. All Rights Reserved.



    Without question, you omit parts of H.E.'s EC at risk of losing a lot because what
    he writes is already extremely condensed.  

    But it is an exercise to focus on one or two or three aspects of a short list, so as
    to more thoroughly comprehend them:

    A.) Liberals will keep coming back with false arguments to persuade the SSPX to
    commit ѕυιcιdє. (Cf. Fr. Fox's sermon within the Octave of the Sacred Heart of
    Jesus RE: the Frog and the Scorpion/ A self-destructive nature is a more powerful
    determinant of behavior than any opposing good intentions, expressed or
    otherwise.) It's not over till the Fat Lady Sings. Liberals will keep coming back as
    they did after Sacrorum Antistitum, as Pope St. Pius X the Great warned us
    at the time that they would
    ; as they did after Our Lady of Fatima came to remind
    us and to offer us the keys to salvation in the modern world which Liberals have
    not ceased to attack; as they did starting in the early 1950's to overthrow
    Tradition by instituting high speed corruption in fulfillment of Fatima's warnings
    not the least of which was the suppression of the Third Secret which fortold of this
    corruption; as they did by convening Vatican II with NO GOOD REASON to do so
    which includes the BAN on condemnation of error which has endured even to
    this day; as they did with their "crowning glory" the inadequate, lukewarm, banal
    Novus Ordo liturgy, reformed sacraments and ideology which are all an
    outgrowth of Vatican II. The Liberals will keep coming back. The devil never
    sleeps. We live in a valley of tears.

    B.) Catholic leaders, like the Pope, receive graces of state, like jurisdiction, but
    we, including the Pope, have the free-will to cooperate with that grace or to
    refuse it, which refusal includes our ABUSE of our station and the power that
    comes with our state in life. Just because the Pope has the GRACE of papal
    infallibility, doesn't mean he's incapable of refusing to cooperate
    with it.

    C.) Ever since 1962 officially, and probably since 1960, and perhaps as early
    as 1958, the Church has had a BAN on the condemnation of error, and has ended
    up promoting error. If the SSPX follows suit by adopting this ABOMINABLE
    practice of not condemning error
    just to make Modernists feel good or to get
    better free news coverage in the Masonic-Paganized-Protestant MSM, the SSPX
    will end up promoting error as well
    . (Some say it is already starting, if you read
    the speeches of +Fellay and the "office help.")



    Curiously, it's one of the "doctrines" of speed reading to read the first paragraph,
    or perhaps two, and the first few words and the last few words of each subsequent
    paragraph, and the last paragraph in its entirety. If that technique is used on this
    E.C., you can derive all of what I have mentioned, above!

    That's not to say the rest is without merit, for it contains very crucial teaching, so
    important, in fact, that it tends to overshadow this, that I have focused on. But by
    so focusing here first, and grasping the implications, then going back and
    re-reading the whole EC 259, it comes alive with even more power and more
    effect
    than it would have had with a mere, cursory read, alone.



    As always, and true to form, H.E. provides us with the SEED of much
    contemplation, to our benefit and for our grace: our sanctification: the Will of
    God! We are never at a loss carefully reading his EC and taking it to heart.

    What a grace His Grace is for us in these troubled times!!

    Alleluia! Praise the infinite mercy of God, which we receive hereby in these words.
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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
    « Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 06:07:05 PM »
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  •    This is a great letter.

       My take-away:

       We should not have needed a letter like Fr Chazal's "WAR" had we remained in battle mode.

       And we will always need to stay in battle mode until Rome understands that the ship is taking in water because the sailors are drilling holes in the floor with unsound and condemned doctrines.

       When the time for a practical agreement has come, we will not need to negotiate.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
    « Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 06:07:59 PM »
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  •    Until then, WAR!!!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 01:44:06 PM »
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  • Another letter of wisdom from Bishop Williamson! Deo Gratias for him!

    It would be nice to see the thoughts of the two dissenters, and what exactly they disagreed with.  :detective:

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLIX - 259
    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 10:58:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    Another letter of wisdom from Bishop Williamson! Deo Gratias for him!

    It would be nice to see the thoughts of the two dissenters, and what exactly they disagreed with.  :detective:


    They probably didn't read the letter.  :judge:






    Hey -- I just realized, H.E. would have written a different EC this week if the new
    appointment for CDF (Muller) had been announced first. As it is, B16 probably
    waited for this EC to come out so he could have at least one week of peace
    (during which time the Econe retreat stuff is going on) before the GC starts!


    Dear Bishop Williamson ---
    time for a bonus issue?

    Please??
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