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Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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  • Number CCCXXXIII (333)   30 November 2013

    FATHER RIOULT I

    Why was there not an uprising amongst priests of the Society of St Pius X when their leaders' loss of grip on Catholic doctrine and subsequent betrayal of Archbishop Lefebvre's work became absolutely clear from March of last year onwards ? Fr. Olivier Rioult, trail-blazer of the "Resistance" in France, gave several good reasons last month in an interview accessible in French on pelagiusasturiensis.wordpress.com. The following summary is freely adapted from the original text:--

    Basically, original sin: Once the original fight for Tradition in the 1970's and '80's had succeeded in guaranteeing the survival of the essentials of the Faith, Traditionalists sat back on their laurels to enjoy their cosy enclaves, and they settled into a comfortable routine which they are now reluctant to lose. They have lost the spirit of fighting for the Faith.

    Secondly, that particular form of original sin which is liberalism: Over the last ten years Society leaders have given the lead in weakening the fight against liberalism, error and immodesty. But to cease swimming against the current is to drift backwards, and a number of SSPX priests -- by no means all -- have grown weaker in their convictions and their preaching.

    Thirdly, activism: some colleagues can also let themselves be run off their feet by their priestly tasks, leaving themselves no time or inclination to read or study. Turning into mere administrators and communicators, they weaken their convictions and preaching.

    Fourthly, Bishop Fellay's trickery: for years his double-talk deceived everybody except a small minority of clear-sighted souls who could absolutely not get a hearing. Only last year did his mask come off with the March "Cor Unum" and with his reply of April 14 to the three bishops. The great majority of Traditionalists he had put to sleep (as he is now doing again).

    Fifthly, fear of the unknown: when the whole world around you is going mad, and you find an enclave of sanity, and then that enclave also begins to go mad, it requires unusual strength of character to face up to the reality and not prefer some illusion or other, and of illusions there are plenty ! Thus many priests realize that they are living through a drama calling for some crucifying decisions, but they lack the necessary fortitude to launch into the unknown.

    And last but not least, bad leaders: of course there have always been liberals within the SSPX as within the mainstream Church, but for as long as the leaders hold firm, these can be held in check. However, when in the mainstream Church John XXIII and Paul VI favoured their liberalism, the result was a tidal wave , and now that SSPX leaders have turned liberal, liberalism is sweeping through the Society as it would never have done under good leaders, true leaders.

    These reasons given by Fr Rioult are all true, but none of them are stronger than that Faith which is "our victory over the world" (I Jn.V, 4). Indeed one might say that all the reasons come down to the lack of a strong enough Faith on the part of the priests, because they are living in a world in which the grip on Truth of every soul alive has been loosened, and if Truth is not true, how can Faith be true ?

    Then what is the simplest way to strengthen one's grip on Truth, as we absolutely need to do in today’s crazy circuмstances ? In my opinion:--

    "Watch and pray, watch and pray,
    Fifteen Mysteries every day".

    Kyrie eleison.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
    « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 12:05:29 AM »
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    I'm surprised there have been no Comments comments yet.  

    Is this one too shocking or something?  

    Fr. Rioult has been repeatedly hitting the nail on the head, it would seem.  For +W to defer to his assessment and summary says a lot.  Big time.  

    This also speaks for the humility of the Bishop, to give credit where credit is due, and in all charity, this is as it should be.  

    These Rioult Points have the sharpness of cannon shrapnel against the Modernism of Menzingen et. al.

    And don't ignore the Roman Numeral following his name.  I'd venture to guess there's a part ii and iii soon to follow, possibly before Advent is consummated with Christmas.

    I'll have to read this one again and again, and sleep on it.  But then, what else is new when it comes to these EC's?

    Bob Dylan was 'singing' about something else, but his words seem appropriate:  

    For The Times -- They Are A-Changin'
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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
    « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 12:50:29 AM »
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  • I always find Bishop Williamson's words to be inspiring.  What additional comments are necessary?  He's just saying that we need to be vigilant against falling into the trap laid for all Catholics by the modernists, early in the 20th century.  He gives the example of what happened to the conciliar church and points out that the disease is spreading.  We need to be prayerful, penitential, and militant against falling into error.  I find it hard to imagine what, from these comments, anyone could take issue with.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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    Quote from: +W said that Fr. Rioult

    Basically, original sin: Once the original fight for Tradition in the 1970's and '80's had succeeded in guaranteeing the survival of the essentials of the Faith, Traditionalists sat back on their laurels to enjoy their cosy enclaves, and they settled into a comfortable routine which they are now reluctant to lose. They have lost the spirit of fighting for the Faith.




    I don't want to point fingers at others, for I am likewise guilty of this, but I've seen longstanding defenders of the Faith who have supported the conservation efforts to defend the Catholic Faith, gradually soften with the so-called leadership of +F, to the point where they shrugged their shoulders and quipped, "Why not make a practical agreement?"  

    Therefore, a 50-year battle to uphold Tradition is reduced in one SG-ship to the rubble of recalcitrance against the Faith, by way of Modernism, the Grand Sewer of all heresies, in the Church.



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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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  • Quote from: +W said that Fr. Rioult

    Secondly, that particular form of original sin which is liberalism: Over the last ten years Society leaders have given the lead in weakening the fight against liberalism, error and immodesty. But to cease swimming against the current is to drift backwards, and a number of SSPX priests -- by no means all -- have grown weaker in their convictions and their preaching.



    Liberalism is a sin.  (Book written over 100 years ago)

    It does not take an open pronouncement and admission that one is now liberal for one to now be liberal.  It is usually a gradual slide from PRINCIPLES that is at the root of it, and this is why DOCTRINE is so important.

    Immodesty both in dress and in behavior and/or ideas apply to this.  You can appear by sight to be entirely modest but act with an air of immodesty, or you can appear and act with ostensible modesty while you speak words of immodesty.  

    The latter is probably the worst because it is deceptive and especially children might be "sucked in" to the practice, so they can be entertaining to their friends or whatever.

    When you do not actively swim against the current you will therefore begin to drift with the current, which inevitably leads to destruction.  This is what Our Lady came to warn us about in 1917, but all too few are willing to listen.

    Among those SSPX priests who have grown weaker in their convictions and in their preaching is unfortunately ALL of the Chapter Capitulants who would elect a new SG to replace this defective one.  But +W isn't going to say that.  Perhaps it has partially to do with his relationship with his two brother bishops who have been somewhat fence-sitters, but who knows?  Keeping hope alive???


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
    « Reply #5 on: November 30, 2013, 01:05:47 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:Excellent E.C.  There's nothing to add.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
    « Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 01:33:04 PM »
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  • just that, the english do spell cosy, with an s...... :smile:

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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  • Another excellent EC.

     :applause:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
    « Reply #8 on: December 01, 2013, 04:18:15 AM »
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  • The Cult of Cosy Enclaves may just about describe the trad scene. There is an inner conflict between the quest for spiritual security and the quest for truth. Do not linger too long in any one place; you may become part of the furniture. Fr. Girouard's admirable 'sense of belonging' mentioned elsewhere may point one in the right direction but it can result in complacency. The future now is so uncertain and good things do not last.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
    « Reply #9 on: December 02, 2013, 11:00:50 AM »
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    it requires unusual strength of character to face up to the reality and not prefer some illusion or other, and of illusions there are plenty



    One of the more important observations in this essay. The great danger of falling into belief in an illusion and closing one's eyes to the sometimes disquieting truth which is before them.
    It is a pitfall which encompasses the SSPX, the indulters and the Resitance movement.
    When such groups do not move to a greater purpose then they inevitably become one of the aforementioned  cultive cosy enclaves. The trappings without substance or mission.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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    it requires unusual strength of character to face up to the reality and not prefer some illusion or other, and of illusions there are plenty



    One of the more important observations in this essay. The great danger of falling into belief in an illusion and closing one's eyes to the sometimes disquieting truth which is before them.
    It is a pitfall which encompasses the SSPX, the indulters and the Resitance movement.
    When such groups do not move to a greater purpose then they inevitably become one of the aforementioned  cultive cosy enclaves. The trappings without substance or mission.


    Wow, you know, I read this with an additional "er" in that word, which made me think of a better word.

    I would usually say "indultarians" but I found a new word out of the one you used here. "Indulterers" is the one I will start using to describe these folks.

    Thanks.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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    it requires unusual strength of character to face up to the reality and not prefer some illusion or other, and of illusions there are plenty



    One of the more important observations in this essay. The great danger of falling into belief in an illusion and closing one's eyes to the sometimes disquieting truth which is before them.
    It is a pitfall which encompasses the SSPX, the indulters and the Resitance movement.
    When such groups do not move to a greater purpose then they inevitably become one of the aforementioned  cultive cosy enclaves. The trappings without substance or mission.


    Wow, you know, I read this with an additional "er" in that word, which made me think of a better word.

    I would usually say "indultarians" but I found a new word out of the one you used here. "Indulterers" is the one I will start using to describe these folks.

    Thanks.


    I used to use that form myself but got to feeling a bit vindictive doing it so often so I only use it once and a while now.
    But you really cannot understate how destructive to Tradition and the Church the indult groups have been. They do represent a clear betrayal of principle and doctrine.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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  •  :dancing-banana:So, is "indultery" now a mortal sin?
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCCXXXIII
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  • I, who am of no import, agree with all of this excellent essay.  However, I was stopped short a bit with the conclusion of Bishop Williamson that the best way to hold on to truth is praying the Rosary every day.  Yes, this is so important, but there is more that is necessary.  I would add:

    1.) A daily thorough examination of conscience;
    2.) Good reading each day;
    3.) Standing up for the truth that is within us, without fear of retribution.  

    I presume many of the SSPX priests who either have not joined the Resistance or who are staying in the Society but are afraid to speak out DO say the rosary, yet some portion of the truth has been lost in their mind and actions.  The Rosary is a start, but then what?

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    Indultery is at least a vice, akin to a sin against faith insofar as it is hostile to the practice of the traditional Catholic faith in all its particulars, but it might not appear that way to the indulterers who commit it.  So it comes down to subjectivism, again, and as +W has explained previously, it is subjectivism that is the fundamental problem in this crisis.  This crisis is arising from a false belief that reality is in the mind, as if we create our own universe with our imagination, therefore what is true to one person can be false to another and vice versa, to the point where no one agrees on anything.  But that state of chaos, being the principle enemy of Liberalism (Liberals don't like to be known as being those who instituted chaos, even if it's true!), is what Liberals would then deny that it's happening, and are wont to pretend that they get along with each other on matters of principle only so as to APPEAR to be in agreement, because appearances, after all, are all that matter.  (Evidence the B16 'hermeneutic of continuity' for example, and by extension, +F's complicity with its essential but false doctrine.)  Consequently, it is the appearance of "unity" that is their goal, as you can see in the concluding photo-op of the 2012 General Chapter when +Fellay proclaimed they had achieved unity.  If they were Communists, it would have made sense, but Catholic priests?  For them it made nonsense, but being Liberals, they proudly proclaimed their nonsense for all the world to see.


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