I see that the latest EC is out but not here yet.

A masterpiece of clarity, not one superfluous word.

Bishop Williamson has no equal. God keep him strong and safe.

I see that the latest EC is out but not here yet.

A masterpiece of clarity, not one superfluous word.

Bishop Williamson has no equal. God keep him strong and safe.

You're Irish, isn't it? According to another good Irish poster here, John Grace, most Irish SSPX laypeople fully support Bishop Williamson. I always loved to read that.

So, which is the most catholic and hence pro Bishop Williamson area in Ireland? I think it would be great to move there. This probably remains a dream, but anyway the very idea is lovely...

God bless you Irish Catholics and Ireland, for the great mission you did to all over Europe.
Sanct Patrick, Sanct Bonifatius, orate pro nobis!

Back on-topic...
 

And now guess who're the few typical anti-agreement laypeople in the SSPX parishes I know of (supporting the resistance priests who're being exiled and silenced but who're hardly known to the world and who still do an important part in the resistance) ? Those few who read the Eleison Comments. Because Bishop Williamson helped them to keep their minds Catholic.

And so actually these clerics -- Frs J Pfeiffer and Chazal as frontmen there, and Bishop Williamson as subtle background fighter here -- do complement themselves in a wonderful way. And that's why Fr Pfeiffer even used this EC 270 for his Sunday sermon yesterday on the Street of Manila. So much for alleged "hot air".


Your Excellency Bishop Williamson, may God reward you eternally for you serving the Church so faithfully and thoroughly. God bless you. And may God bless Fathers J Pfeiffer and Chazal, and all the other not so well known clerics and laypeople in the resistance. You're all united in Our Lord.

AMEN!

Quote from: Ethelred

Dear Wessex, you remind me of the British gentlemen. Bishop Williamson is one, too.  I appreciate that a lot.
...
Naturally what Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal are doing in Manila is very brave.
But there's absolutely no reason to play off them against the also very brave Bishop Williamson.

They're all brave and heroic clerics in what they do (*). And they fight in the same camp, with their gifts, for the same goal: for God's true religion. And all of them study the situation, think, communicate a lot, and learn -- in order to act accordingly at God's timing ("Gottes Zeit ist die beste Zeit", EC 233). Our help is in the name of Our Lord.

(*) You'll see that I don't mention Bishop Tissier anymore since his unmasking Telefax to Fr Couture about Fr Chazal: blind obedience.

You're not alone, ER. As much as we would like to revere a good bishop, it's a bit
sad to see one suppressed as if the Mob gave him an "offer."

Yeah, I like Wessex's concise analysis too.
Ignis Ardens used to dismiss him as a "fringe" voice, but since IA is now dominated by hard-liners who distrust Msgr. Fellay, he gets more respect.

This trend you refer to is indicative of the effect of the Internet, of the Faithful
becoming more educated by the weekly ECs, by the preaching of Frs. Chazal,
Pfeiffer, Hewko, Cardozo, and others. The tide seems to be turning...

Bp. Williamson IS acting as our spiritual General.  
His Kyrie Eleison comments have haunted Bp. Fellay and his cabal for three years.  He has completely shaken their plans for duping us and quietly handing the SSPX over to newRome.

The Menzingen-denizens have had far too long in the "driver's seat." It's time for
the apple cart to get a shakeup. They know it, and it keeps them up at night. Yes,
umhum, it keeps them up at night, umhum, yes, umhum.

Expelling Msgr. Williamson from the SSPX won't stop his influence, but may make it stronger.

That's really astute of you. It would explain why the Menzingen-denizens have
not finished the job. They're probably looking with shocked HORROR at the rise
in his popularity after they dared to "disinvite him" from the GC this year. It was
a big gamble for them, and now they see they've lost. Yes, they lost their gamble,
yes, umhum, yes, umhum, they've lost their gamble, they did, yes, umhum, yes.

Pablo's emotional outbursts are one example that the SSPX Resistance (SSPX-R) needs organization and administration, with some mechanism of command and control.

Well, Pablo's spirit is a bit too energetic to be held back with mere chains. We
ought to cut him some slack. You don't keep a race horse confined to a stable in
the barn if you know what's good for the barn. And the horse!

I had a friend with an older Alfa Romeo, nothing too fancy, but a real "race horse."
He explained that it's in its element at about 120 mph on the open road. He was
having oddball problems with the engine when he tried to keep it around town in
stop-and-go traffic. Then he started doing cross-country trips about once or twice
a year, part of his business, and the car made it pointless to bother with airlines.
He was doing the car a favor, and the car paid him back eagerly.

It would probably be for everyone's best interest to give Pablo what he yearns for.

Let's wait and see.  I'm betting the "Novus Ordo-dization" of the SSPX will bring many faithful to the SSPX-R fold.  In the meantime, we need to get organized an be ready to receive them.

I'd like to believe this is the case. I know others who are not at all comfortable
with the prospect of accommodation with doctrinal errors. And I believe that once
Catholics become reminded of the value of penance and devotion to our daily duty,
they will tend to pick up the slack. Some may fall away, but that's the breaks. We
can pick up a few converts to take their place, with the grace of God.


If our priests, even independents, would take an EC every now and then and read
it to the congregation as part of their sermon, it would do a lot of good for the
Church.


Did you pay attention to the short sermon Fr. Pfeiffer gave on 9-16, when he
gave a 7-minute sermon during his Manila Mass-on-the-street? He basically
read the EC 270. He spoke every word clearly. For me, hearing his dynamic
emphasis of particular words gave the EC more effectiveness than I had seen
by my reading it alone. I thought that was rather curious. How could the pitch of
a voice make the meaning of words more penetrating? But it's true.

It occurred to me that Fr. Pfeiffer has spent some serious time studying the writings
of +Williamson. I have heard that he had him for seminary professor for some of
his classes, so he would then be very acquainted with his style. And it is not only a
written style but an oral style, because all of the ECs are written in a manner that
they can be PREACHED. Every one of them. In fact, this is the first time I have ever
heard one of them delivered out loud by a priest, or by anyone else, other than my
own voice, and I'm not a preacher.

I hereby propose the theory
that if a number of priests would pick up the EC for
each week and use it to proclaim it out loud
during their sermons on that Sunday,
either in toto, as Fr. Pfeiffer did in Manila the
other day, or even in segments, while
inserting commentary on each sentence or
paragraph or whatever, if this were to
be done by a core number of priests, it would
change the perception and the
awareness of the faithful for the better.

I believe we have arrived at a time when this should be done. And just watch and
see what the REACTION of the district superiors would be. Just watch and see what
the fury and knee-jerk retaliation from Menzingen would be. There would be a
whole new eruption of protest and vile denunciations hurled in every direction
with accusations of "disobedience" at the "front lines" of the list.  

They don't have any jurisdiction anyway, so they can have nothing to say about
what independent priests say in their sermons. Let them try. It will only show their
arrogance for what it is.....................................

Excellent points ! And this is, I think, where "Pablo" is finding his frustration. Yes-- his padre is seemingly alone in the trench. But Bp Williamson is in the Trench, also. His is a different trench, at a different level. The priests have to organize and get the Fathers Hewkos, Chazals, Pfeiffers, Merramos, etc., etc, etc, together-- united with Father Ringrose, Father Carly, The Groups in Brazil, France, Germany, England, Ireland, etc.

  They are so much farther advanced than the trads were 45 years ago-- so much more advanced!! We know the enemy now-- Forty five years ago who knew? Very few!!. We know Benedict worked AT THE COUNCIL to help destroy the Catholic faith-- and he hasn't stopped! ABP Lefebvre objected to Ratzinger even being a periti at the Council-- he was so bad!
    But , this group has to change it's focus. The focus is not to get every last SSPXer. The focus is to get the priests that are awake, the people that want to  save their souls, and get on with the business of converting the world. They have to unite  now, and go out and preach the good news of the Gospel Message-- the Catholic faith. No one is doing it. All the independent priests and chapels act like little protestant churches-- they keep to themselves. You'd have to sneak in and find out they were Catholic! The SSPX is remaking itself ito a cult, a thousand yes-men sitting around a table all nodding their heads when the boss says yes. They've been spending all their time trying to get back into Rome, just to try and get the overflow from the Novus Ordinarians who "like" the Latin Mass. But they will never get them by becoming like them!
   So that's what Pablo and friends  should try and do-- get the priests united, get them all strong and solid on the doctrine, and start converting the world. And those priests can do it-- a Chazal, a Pfeiffer-- a Bp Williamson--a Hewko. They have fire in their belly, life in their soul!  If the SSPX fails and falls into Rome, the loss will not be the priests and parishioners Rome sucks up-- God has given them years and years of good nourishment that they ignored. The loss will be the thousands of souls that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's little Society was destined to snatch from the enemy-- the souls that the SSPX has given up going after. Buddhism is growing; Protestantism is growing; Evangelicals are growing-- all at the expense of the one, true Faith-- because no one is teaching it anymore!

Maybe you don't understand something, hugeman: You're seeming to say that
the independent chapels and their priests and their faithful should be out going
door-to-door like 7th Day Adventists, Mormons and Jehova's Witenesses, trying
to convert people.

Do you know anything about jurisdiction?

Or are you a bit too much like Pablo, all full of zeal, regardless of circuмspection
and awareness of the big picture?

  You are right-- I may not know much about
Jurisdiction. I have no idea how jurisdiction impacts
The Christian soldiers' duty to live the faith and  testify
Of the good things of Christ. And I don't know much at all
Of Pablo.

My comment was, simply, related to the need to spend more time
Converting those souls who haven't heard the good message, and
Less time baby sitting those who have received the truth, but want
To be deceived by Rome and Menzingen.

Sorry for being so rough with you, hugeman. But you took it so well, it's nice to
see that. Thank you.

Spending time converting souls is important. But unless you have the permission
of the local bishop who has jurisdiction, you can't go to private homes like the
Mormons do. You can go to places of business all right, but if there is a sign
on the front door "NO SOLICITORS" or the like, you should not go there.

My priest just explained to me something regarding jurisdiction that applies to
this in the sense of evangelization. The local bishop of a diocese actually has
the duty to send people out, going door-to-door and make an attempt to bring
all the "lost sheep" into the fold of the One True Church. How long has it been
since that was done in your area? I don't recall ever hearing of it in my
lifetime! But the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the 7th Day Adventists
do it regularly, not so much the latter, though.  

Since the SSPX doesn't have any jurisdiction, even though the priests have
the true faith, and teach it (or at least they DID so until recently!) they are
not allowed by Church law to go out canvasing an area of land for "lost sheep,"
because that requires jurisdiction. Another thing that requires jurisdiction is
hearing confessions and doing exorcisms. In the case of exorcism, the
exorcist can get into a lot of trouble, not only with the Church but with the
devil, because without jurisdiction the devil has power the priest cannot deal
with, for the devil is the prince of this world: he has jurisdiction EVERYWHERE.

Regarding confession, that's directly related to the salvation of souls, so
if a Catholic cannot find a reputable confessor in his local diocese, he can
certainly seek an SSPX priest, or an independent (vagus) priest for this
sacrament, and the state of necessity supplies jurisdiction automatically.
This equally works for someone in proximity of death and there is only an
Orthodox priest available, for example, or a priest under excommunication or
interdict. The highest law of the Church is the salvation of souls.

So, regarding evangelization, it is not necessarily a matter of life and death
that everyone be contacted by a priest, even those who are not Catholic. It
would be nice, but it needs to be orderly. If there were no such rules, then
you could have several different splinter groups as well as the local diocese
going door-to-door. Imagine, a pagan watching TV and the doorbell rings, and
he answers it to have a nice couple standing there from the local Traditional
Latin Mass chapel inviting him to come to Mass. Etc. Okay, he goes back to his
TV watching, and in 27 minutes the doorbell rings again and it's the local
Focolare or NeoCatechumenal Way or Charismatics telling him about their next
hoedown/tent revival or whatever. Etc. Then after some more TV, the doorbell
and now it's the local parish Welcoming Ministry, with a free flyer and a raffle
ticket, because he's one in 50 who gets a free ticket. Congratulations! Then
after a few more minutes, Ding-Dong, and it's the Sedevacantist chapel down
the road, asking him if he's tired of seeing a so-called Pope who acts like a
pagan! And the guy says, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING A PAGAN -- THAT'S
WHAT I AM, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??"  What  
is this guy going to think? Is he likely to say, "My, how organized these
Catholics are, to have 3 different, competing programs all vying for my
attention?" Hardly. More like, "What a bunch of crazies these people must be."
Or worse, he might call the police and report harassment!