Author Topic: Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson 20 July 2013 (Read 5639 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #30 on:** July 27, 2013, 04:16:42 PM »

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Neil,

Very funny. I actually went back and reread my post... I did do that [sic].

Not trying to take up for Bishop Fellay, but in the end, he didn't a sign a deal and in the end he did stand fast for the Catholic Faith. Did the actions of the faithful force him to back down? If so, I hope he learned his lesson. If his intentions were wrong, I hope he resigns. If he was merely hoping for the best, perhaps we should be a little more patient. The devout of the SSPX are a learned and tough lot and they aren't likely to just take in on the chin for the modernists.

As for the hot under the collar comment, that's just slang for people getting their "shorts in a bunch" and "bees in their bonnet"... "something to do with corn flakes"

I'm just wondering if the reasons I'm not seeing the problems in the SSPX is because the SSPX chapel in St. Louis is such a blessed and devout place. At least five families that I know of have family members who have gone the religious route. (Only drawback to the St. Louis chapel is the lack of a K-12 school). I have also visited the SSPX chapel in Cleveland, OH and the SSPX chapel in Springfield, MO and they seem on par in the devout category.

Maybe I'm wrong in being optimistic.

Mind you, now, I don't necessarily disagree with you but I think we're out of the storm. (By storm I mean the deal with new church.)

But the problem now is with this ‘new direction’ of the SSPX.

Yes, and the problem with this 'new direction' is, it's going to be
dragging the SSPX [perhaps kicking and screaming!!] right back to
the nefarious negotiation table! But this next time, it might not even
be with any fanfare -- we might just wake up one morning and find
the 'deal' has been made -- like Dec. 23rd, 1913, when late at night
the skeleton crew Congress voted in the Federal Reserve System,
which we've been saddled with for 100 years, as of this winter!

That is to say, it may APPEAR that "we're out of the storm," but that's
just our subjective perception. We can most easily return into the
storm. The storm is still out there, and this could be merely the eye
of the hurricane.

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Fr. Pfeiffer talks about it in an interview with Fr. Hewko on the Doctrinal Declaration, July 13, 2013. “Since last year myself and many other priests are involved in this resistance against the ‘new direction’ of the SSPX.” He talks about how in recent years there has been a shift or change in the path the Society was on, “leading to liberalism within the SSPX and making us no longer stand up clearly against the errors of the Council.”

Look at the branding sermon of Fr. Wegner where the branding company said “The Society is wrong. The strategy of the Society is wrong.”

In the Angelus magazine, January 2012, Fr. Wegner says, “A third characteristic of the new style is its positivity. Bare of any aggressive and imposing element, it commit us to a positive way of writing … The Angelus wants to be attractive by promoting the splendors of Tradition, the beauty of the Faith.”

Fr. Girouard said to Fr. Wegner, “Look at the DICI (SSPX Europe) website; look at the Angelus magazine; look at the website of the SSPX in the United States; look at the website of Father Couture in Asia; look everywhere and you don’t see any spirit of fight anymore against Vatican II and the New Mass! It seems to me that the Society has become a blunt sword in the hands of the Lord! There is no cutting edge anymore, it is useless.” And Fr. Wegner “said that this was a good thing, this change was a good thing!”

Look on the SSPX website and our founder’s (Archbishop Lefebvre) motto: “’I have believed in love,’ that is, in the love of Christ.”

Don't forget, that Fr. Pfeiffer's reason for bringing this up is to say that
the actual motto of ABL, in Latin, translates as,

"We have believed in charity."

When you say it accurately, you don't have to explain it. You don't
have to do any "that is, ..." Besides, they didn't even get the
Latin translation right. Just wait till they start that trick with a
vernacular liturgy!! This is a great example of handing down what
you have received!

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Our chapel is devout and fervent too and a lot of vocations have come from it. We have good sermons on prayer, charity, etc., too. But the danger comes in what they are neglecting to do and say. They are not strongly attacking the errors of the Council and liberalism. They’re putting everyone to sleep with this absence of attacking error and this focus on the beautiful aspects of the Faith, while everyone slides into liberalism.

The people are becoming ‘soft’ and are not fighters anymore, and Fr. Chazal says in his conference, “Why SSPX Marian Corps?” June 8, 2013, that Archbishop Lefebvre intended the Society to be “a little army of fighters.”

All true, unbrandable. All good points!

This inability to stand up for the Faith of Catholics has far-
reaching implications. It is getting to be real popular to pay
more attention to the rabbis than to our own Apostles, for
crying out loud!! This is in a big part the Judaizing of the SSPX.

I mentioned on another thread how this one lady who has some
really staunch pro-Fellay friends is absolutely unable to cope with
any concept of the Jєωs abandoning their faith, or that they're
doing anything wrong by just having secular holidays like the
Remnant seems to be having now with Hanukkah. Let me see
if I can find it...........

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A particular Accordista sympathizer I know was prone to defend
the Jєωιѕн practice of Hanukkah, so I asked how they keep the
story of this festival going all these centuries, when it's rooted in
the books of Machabees, which are books that the Jєωιѕн
tradition does not recognize as Scripture? She attempted to say
that it's merely a cultural tradition that they pass on. I asked,
well, if the cultural tradition is worth passing on, why isn't the
book that contains it worth passing on - why do they leave the
religious aspect to the Catholic Church? Isn't that like saying
that the Church is the spiritual authority and the Jєωs are just
play-acting for fun? All she could say is, "it's a cultural thing."
I said, The very thing they commemorate is a miracle, when the
oil didn't run out for 8 days, which would be impossible by any
natural means, and yet they want to deny there's anything
spiritual about the festival they commemorate?

"It's just a cultural thing."

She was a broken record. One answer.

Tele posted an interesting reply to this.

inprincipio · « **Reply #31 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:17:22 PM »

I had a thought regarding these very young priests. They have not been tested....The Society flatters them with positions of forming and teaching young seminarians. This is big responsibility for one so young and it could tend to flatter them and appeal to a sense of pride which would not be a good thing. Then everyone else can see much confidence BF has in them.....They, after all were chosen...

This is something the NO used and still uses to flatter people, making them think they are indispensable and valuable. Making eucharistic ministers, lectors, and members of committees...Everyone recognizes them and they are important....

Just a thought!

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #32 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:53:58 PM »

If you still don't think that Bp Fellay needs to resign then you've lost all sensus catholicus.....you're a Fellayite....as zombies are to people, Fellayites are to real trads..

Domitilla · « **Reply #33 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:57:07 PM »

Inprincipio, you've hit the nail on the head. The SSPX has been in the business of promoting young and untried priests beyond their abilities for quite some time. A young priest (about 30 yrs old) who was ordained four years ago is the USA District Burser. This young priest came to his former parish, under orders from the USA DS, and delivered a fiery sermon in which he haughtily rebuked the Resistors and ordered them to leave the SSPX. He made quite a spectacle of himself that day. Needless to say, we "over 50-somethings" were not rebuked; we were outraged! During the time he was our Pastor, many were impressed with his piety and intelligence. The only thing he accomplished with his nasty sermon was to be permanently lowered into the "pious fraud" category. How unfortunate for him and for us.

These young priests are so flattered by their superiors that they willingly succuмb to behavior that would horrify an older, wiser priest. No wonder the XSPX loves to promote the young and naive.

magdalena · « **Reply #34 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:09:51 PM »

Sad, but true. I witnessed it. :sad:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2013, 04:37:15 PM »

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I saw these two posts..............

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I had a thought regarding these very young priests. They have not been tested....The Society flatters them with positions of forming and teaching young seminarians. This is big responsibility for one so young and it could tend to flatter them and appeal to a sense of pride which would not be a good thing. Then everyone else can see much confidence BF has in them.....They, after all were chosen...

This is something the NO used and still uses to flatter people, making them think they are indispensable and valuable. Making eucharistic ministers, lectors, and members of committees...Everyone recognizes them and they are important....

Just a thought!

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Inprincipio, you've hit the nail on the head. The SSPX has been in the business of promoting young and untried priests beyond their abilities for quite some time. A young priest (about 30 yrs old) who was ordained four years ago is the USA District Burser. This young priest came to his former parish, under orders from the USA DS, and delivered a fiery sermon in which he haughtily rebuked the Resistors and ordered them to leave the SSPX. He made quite a spectacle of himself that day. Needless to say, we "over 50-somethings" were not rebuked; we were outraged! During the time he was our Pastor, many were impressed with his piety and intelligence. The only thing he accomplished with his nasty sermon was to be permanently lowered into the "pious fraud" category. How unfortunate for him and for us.

These young priests are so flattered by their superiors that they willingly succuмb to behavior that would horrify an older, wiser priest. No wonder the XSPX loves to promote the young and naive.

And the inescapable parallel is the fact that the young Father Bernard
Fellay had no experience as a pastor, or as a prior, nor even so much
as a professor at any seminary. He had no regular experience in the
mission field, nor as preaching retreats -- nothing but bursar for ABL.

And he went from that condition directly into becoming a last minute
add-on for Bishop -- a decision by ABL reportedly due to him having
been recommended by one Mr. Lovey, who was a big financial backer
and who wanted the Swiss to be represented with a new bishop.

From there, 3 years after ABL passed away, suddenly this new bishop
of only 6 years and still no experience as any kind of pastor or teacher,
was mysteriously elected SG when ABL had made it very well known
that position should always be held by a priest, not by a bishop -- but
he had unfortunately failed to put it into writing!!

This is reminiscent of the Peter Principle, by which a man in the
business world is promoted to his level of incompetence, and there he
remains, to the detriment of the business.

Unbrandable · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2013, 04:37:31 PM »

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I had a thought regarding these very young priests. They have not been tested....The Society flatters them with positions of forming and teaching young seminarians. This is big responsibility for one so young and it could tend to flatter them and appeal to a sense of pride which would not be a good thing. Then everyone else can see much confidence BF has in them.....They, after all were chosen...

This is something the NO used and still uses to flatter people, making them think they are indispensable and valuable. Making eucharistic ministers, lectors, and members of committees...Everyone recognizes them and they are important....

Just a thought!

Here is what a priest - a saint - had to say about the clergy of his day (I've put the full text in the Library)

This should be mandatory reading for all priests.

Extract from "The Spirit of God in Works" by Blessed Antoine Chevrier (1826-1879).

The spirit of God! It’s the greatest treasure that God can give someone. It is also the greatest treasure that God can give to the earth; to give His spirit to a few men, so that others can see it in them and profit of it.

Let us ask for it from God, and let us not cease asking for it for ourselves and for others! … But , we must not have any illusions: to obtain it, we must continually battle against our nature, inclinations, prejudices, knowledge sometimes, and also against the world, which does not understand this spirit and which does not cease to treat as insane and mad all who act in opposition to it (the world).

The spirit of God is not in knowledge, genius, or human elevation; it is also not in exterior things. It is not in lodging, clothing, riches, titles, nor elevated or low positions. Not even in exterior practices of piety, since the Pharisees fasted, prayed and gave alms, and Our Lord condemns all their justice, however great and rigorous it appears to the eyes of men.

It is neither in titles, nor in positions, dignities, or honors; these exterior things assume the spirit of God, but do not give it. One can be a priest, canon, bishop, or religious and not have the spirit of God.

What a gross error do those commit who believe they have the spirit of God, wisdom, and virtue, because they are wearing a cassock, and that behind this deceiving exterior, they can govern with impunity, command as they see fit, as it comes to mind, exploit their title, their position, as if that made them wiser, more experienced, more enlightened, and especially incapable of deceiving!

We especially see young priests act without reserve and prudence, and yet believe themselves to be infallible and demand that everyone bow in front of them and submit to their authority. What madness! How these sorts of people make themselves despised and make the clerical dress they wear despised!

How necessary it is to act with discernment and even with fear, especially when one is young, because one is liable to do many foolish things! How we must be careful not to think that our cassock gives us wisdom and virtue!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2013, 05:30:10 PM »

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Today's Gospel provides a great model for how vastly different
the ways of Our Lord are from the ways of the modern
Menzingen Fellayites.

WHAT THE GOSPEL DOES NOT SAY:

St. Mark vii. 31-37*:

31 And again going out of the coasts of Tyre, he came by Sidon to the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis.
32 And they bring to him one deaf and dumb; and they besought him that he would lay his hand upon him.
33 And taking him from the multitude apart, he put his fingers into his ears, and spitting, he touched his tongue:
34 And looking up to heaven, he groaned, and said to him: Ephpheta, which is, Be thou opened.
35 And immediately his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spoke right.
36 And he charged them that they should tell no man. But the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal did they publish it.
37 And so much the more did they wonder, saying: He hath done all things well; he hath made both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.

AND WHEN THEY TOLD JESUS THEREFORE how much his works
were being published, he was outraged, and condemned them
for DISOBEDIENCE, and he expelled those who refused to cease
(their weekly Eleison Comments and) such things, from his Society
as a punishment for their disrespect of his authority.

*(Cf. Isaias xxxv.1-10; St. Matthew ix. 32-34)

And so, with high regard for the post, above, by unbrandable, it is
precisely this lack of the spirit of God that we see rampant today in
the Fellayite Menzingen-denizens, for it is not a work of mercy and
patience as Our Lord made His example known and which the
Apostles handed down to us from generation unto generation (cf.
St. Luke i. 50: "And his mercy is from generation unto generation
to them that fear him," and Psalm cxi. 10: "...fear of the Lord is
the beginning of wisdom").

The corollary to this principle is: lack of the spirit of God is for the
superior of a religious congregation as a curse and the beginning
of folly, for such leadership shall not long endure. "21 Woe to thee,
Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been
wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long
ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, it
shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment,
than for you" (St. Matt. xi. 21-22).