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Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Aug. 3rd 2013
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  • Number CCCXIV (316)   3 August 2013

    CONTINUING DAMAGE -- II

    Besides arguing that the Doctrinal Declaration of mid-April last year was refused by Rome and so is of no further interest, people claiming that there has been no significant change in the Society of St Pius X also resort to the three bishops’ recent Declaration of June 27, which was obviously designed to reassure people that the SSPX lifeboat is undamaged and still perfectly seaworthy. However, souls wishing not to drown need to take a closer look.

    It is the 11th paragraph which has become notorious. In brief, the bishops here state that they intend in the future to follow Providence, whether Rome soon returns to Tradition, or it recognizes explicitly the right and duty of the SSPX to oppose in public the Conciliar errors. Now this “whether” clause is out of the question because nothing short of a divine intervention is going to make the enemies of God, firmly established within the Vatican, let go of their Council. We come to the “or” clause. What can the bishops have meant by Rome “explicitly recognizing” the “right and duty” of the SSPX to oppose the Council ?

    The obvious meaning is that Rome would grant to the SSPX some official status within the mainstream Church, or some form of canonical regularization. Some such recognition is obviously what the SSPX leaders have been striving for ever since they adopted the ideas of the Parisian think-tank, GREC, well over ten years ago. But when those leaders in April of last year largely accepted Rome’s terms for such a recognition, they created such a storm of protest within the SSPX that they were forced to pretend that they no longer want any such recognition based on the mid-April terms. Then what can the “or” clause of June 27 mean ?

    Within a few days the French District Superior put to them exactly that question. He was told that the “or” clause does not necessarily entail any official recognition, but merely the eventuality of a weak but Catholic Pope being on the one hand Catholic enough to recognize the SSPX’s “right and duty”, etc., but on the other hand too weak and isolated within Rome to be able to impose on the Romans any official recognition, etc.. And the District Superior at least appeared to be content with this answer when he immediately transmitted it to the priests of his District.

    Well, knock me over with a feather ! Firstly, who, just reading the text of June 27, could ever have guessed that this was what the bishops had in mind ? And secondly, what in the text of June 27 excludes a range of other possibilities that the bishops would accept in the name of “following Providence” ? Given that on June 17, 2012, Bishop Fellay wrote to Benedict XVI that he would continue to do all he could to pursue a reconciliation between Rome and the SSPX, what in the text of June 27 excludes the cunning Romans eventually making to the bishops such an offer of reconciliation that – always in the name of “Providence” – they could not refuse ?

    Good luck to anyone who accepts the interpretation of the “or” clause given to the French District Superior. However, there are many of us who will remain unconvinced that the leadership of the SSPX has given up on its mad dream of reconciling irreconcilables. Until clear proof to the contrary, we will assume that those leaders remain, however unwittingly, intent upon turning the SSPX lifeboat into a death boat. And when everyone drowns, they will make it all the ocean’s fault !

    Kyrie eleison.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Aug. 3rd 2013
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  • "and when they drown they will make it all the ocean's fault.."  :applause:


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Aug. 3rd 2013
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    ...that the SSPX lifeboat is undamaged and still perfectly seaworthy. However, souls wishing not to drown need to take a closer look.

    It is the 11th paragraph which has become notorious.

    ...nothing short of a divine intervention is going to make the enemies of God, firmly established within the Vatican, let go of their Council.

    ...what the SSPX leaders have been striving for ever since they adopted the ideas of the Parisian think-tank, GREC, well over ten years ago.

    ...Within a few days the French District Superior put to them exactly that question. He was told that the “or” clause does not necessarily entail any official recognition, but merely the eventuality of a weak but Catholic Pope being on the one hand Catholic enough to recognize the SSPX’s “right and duty”, etc., but on the other hand too weak and isolated within Rome to be able to impose on the Romans any official recognition, etc.. And the District Superior at least appeared to be content with this answer when he immediately transmitted it to the priests of his District.

    Well, knock me over with a feather !
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    Firstly, who, just reading the text of June 27, could ever have guessed that this was what the bishops had in mind ?

    And secondly, what in the text of June 27 excludes a range of other possibilities that the bishops would accept in the name of “following Providence” ?

    Given that on June 17, 2012, Bishop Fellay wrote to Benedict XVI that he would continue to do all he could to pursue a reconciliation between Rome and the SSPX, what in the text of June 27 excludes the cunning Romans eventually making to the bishops such an offer of reconciliation that – always in the name of “Providence” – they could not refuse ?



    "Make him an offer he can't refuse!" -  Marlon Brando, "The Godfather"


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    Good luck to anyone who accepts the interpretation of the “or” clause given to the French District Superior.


    I.e., good luck to all the French SSPX priests who   A)  read their e-mail
    and   B)  believe their e-mail from their District Superior.

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    However, there are many of us who will remain unconvinced that the leadership of the SSPX has given up on its mad dream of reconciling irreconcilables.


    Last time I checked, Madness Does Not Give Up.

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    Until clear proof to the contrary, we will assume that those leaders remain, however unwittingly, intent upon turning the SSPX lifeboat into a death boat.

    And when everyone drowns, they will make it all the ocean’s fault !

    Kyrie eleison.



    But....... life boat, death boat, what's the difference?  

    Isn't it a boat nonetheless?

    I mean, according to the hermeneutic of continuity to which
    HEBF adheres with full ascent of mind and will since his buddy
    PEB16 made it his flagship doctrine in his shooting star papacy,
    a lifeboat and a deathboat are perfectly reconcilable, just like
    the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican II are, although with difficulty.

    Maybe a lifeboat and a deathboat are compatible with difficulty?

    Tell a floundering swimmer about "difficulty."  



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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Aug. 3rd 2013
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  • But Bishop Fellay... what do you mean, "We don't need a Catholic lifeboat now" ?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Aug. 3rd 2013
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson - Aug. 3rd 2013
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    Here we have an example of...

    Quote from: Incredulous


    ... floatation equivalency in action.  There are two boats, yes?  
    And each of the boats is on the surface of the water, inasmuch
    as at least a portion of each is above the water surface, yes?
    And any boat that is "afloat" or "floating," has at least some
    portion above the water's surface, yes?  Therefore, we can say
    that a boat that is in the water with a portion of its hull above
    the water surface is a 'floating boat,' yes?  And the state of
    floatation is directly tied to the question of floating as opposed
    to not floating, and floating is equivalent to floating, yes?  And
    so, the two boats pictured are equivalent in their respective
    states of floatation, and they exhibit floatation equivalency.

    If Bishop Fellay were to explain it, I'm sure he could take another
    15 or 20 minutes.  


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