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Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson 8-31-13
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  • Number CCCXX (320)   31 August 2013

    MILAN EDICT

    In our days when liberalism taking over the Society of St Pius X looks like merely the last in a long line of defeats of the Catholic Church, it is difficult to imagine that there was once a time when the Church scored one victory after another. Nevertheless this year we celebrate the 1700th anniversary of one of those victories, the Edict of Milan, dating from 313 AD.

    The Roman Emperor Constantine, known as “Constantine the Great”, was born in 272 and he was baptised Christian only shortly before his death in 337, but he had been seriously sympathetic to Christianity for many years beforehand. When in 312 he marched on Rome to fight his rival, Emperor Maxentius, Our Lord promised him victory if he would put on his battle standards the “labarum”, the X with a P imposed on it, the first two Greek letters of the word Christ. Constantine did what Our Lord said, and defeated Maxentius at the battle of the Milvian Bridge. Once in firm control of Rome, Constantine issued the following year the Edict of Milan.

    In the course of the previous 250 years, worshippers of Christ had suffered ten bloody persecutions under the Roman Emperors, from Nero (37-68) to Diocletian (243-316). Christians had refused the pagan State religion, so the State had banned Christianity. What the Edict of Milan did was to make Christianity for the first time legal alongside other religions allowed in the Empire. It was the decisive step in the conversion of Rome to Christianity. In 325 Constantine endorsed the orthodoxy of the dogmatic Council of Nicaea. In 380 the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of Rome, and in 392 Theodosius forbade pagan worship.

    Thus Constantine began that union of (Catholic) Church and State which was the foundation of Christendom, better known today as “Western civilisation”. Whatever may have been down the ages the abuse of that union in practice, it is in principle immensely fruitful for the salvation of souls. One need only think of how any township even today will profit from a sane priest and a sane policeman complementing one another. For 1600 years the Catholic Church held to that principle of the union of Church and State, whereas for the last 200 years Revolutionary liberalism has constantly sought to undermine it. Only with Vatican II did the Church at last give way and repudiate the doctrine of the Catholic State by its teaching on religious liberty in Dignitatis Humanae. A ringleader of the neo-modernists at the Council, Fr Yves Congar rejoiced that the Council had put an end to the “Constantinian Church”.

    Now it is true that the churchmen being linked to the worldly authorities will bring temptations of worldliness with it, but any State is bound to enforce laws that correspond to some religious or anti-religious view of God and man. To see how difficult it is to lead a Catholic life when that view of the State accords with the anti-religion of secular humanism, just look around you. It was the all-surrounding pressure of modern irreligious States upon the bishops of Vatican II that made them want to change the Catholic Church to fit the modern world. The same pressure is now making the leadership of the Society of St Pius X go the way of the Revolution.

    Constantine on the contrary must down the ages have contributed to the salvation of millions of souls, an achievement for which he is surely in Heaven. Emperor Constantine, pray for us.

    Kyrie eleison.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson 8-31-13
    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 11:13:28 PM »
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    Quote from: H.E.
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    In the course of the previous 250 years, worshippers of Christ had suffered ten bloody persecutions under the Roman Emperors, from Nero (37-68) to Diocletian (243-316). Christians had refused the pagan State religion, so the State had banned Christianity. What the Edict of Milan did was to make Christianity for the first time legal alongside other religions allowed in the Empire. It was the decisive step in the conversion of Rome to Christianity. In 325 Constantine endorsed the orthodoxy of the dogmatic Council of Nicaea. In 380 the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of Rome, and in 392 Theodosius forbade pagan worship.



    It took just 79 years to entirely turn around the culture in Rome,
    from A.D. 313 to 392.  

    Depending when you want to start counting, we've gone pretty much
    backwards over the past few decades:  79 years back would put us
    at 1934:  A.D. 2013 - 79 = A.D. 1934.

    Since just 20 years later, we've had the gutting of Holy Week (1954),
    the abolition of Papal Infallibility (1962), the heresies of Vat.II and the
    pernicious refusal of the Council to address the monster of
    "atheistic" Communism (1965), (it's only "atheistic" by pretense, for
    it is in fact "Hell's war against God" -Mystery of Iniquity by Fr. Paul
    Kramer, pg. 23), the practical suppression of Sacrorum Antistitum
    (1966), the abominable Newmass (1969), the de-facto resurgence
    of paganism in Rome (1978 under JPII the InGrate), the acerbic
    Newcode of Canon Law (1983), the official demotion of the Mass of
    all time to second place with Summorum Pontificuм (2007),
    and throughout it all, the persistent refusal to comply with, the simple
    request of Our Lady without which there will be no end to this mess.

    That's a lot of ground to cover in only 59 years!


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    Thus Constantine began that union of (Catholic) Church and State which was the foundation of Christendom, better known today as “Western civilisation”. Whatever may have been down the ages the abuse of that union in practice, it is in principle immensely fruitful for the salvation of souls. One need only think of how any township even today will profit from a sane priest and a sane policeman complementing one another. For 1600 years the Catholic Church held to that principle of the union of Church and State, whereas for the last 200 years Revolutionary liberalism has constantly sought to undermine it. Only with Vatican II did the Church at last give way and repudiate the doctrine of the Catholic State by its teaching on religious liberty in Dignitatis Humanae. A ringleader of the neo-modernists at the Council, Fr Yves Congar rejoiced that the Council had put an end to the “Constantinian Church”.



    Do we need any more proof?  Well, maybe Adolphus does. HAHAHAHAHA

    But seriously, Yves Congar's rejoicing and the Freemason's pernicious
    infiltration into the public school system to enshrine the principle of
    "separation of Church and State" in the minds of unsuspecting children
    has been par for the course in this faithless and adulterous generation.
    And it all builds on "evolution" which builds on the heresy of Galileo.


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    Now it is true that the churchmen being linked to the worldly authorities will bring temptations of worldliness with it, but any State is bound to enforce laws that correspond to some religious or anti-religious view of God and man. To see how difficult it is to lead a Catholic life when that view of the State accords with the anti-religion of secular humanism, just look around you. It was the all-surrounding pressure of modern irreligious States upon the bishops of Vatican II that made them want to change the Catholic Church to fit the modern world. The same pressure is now making the leadership of the Society of St Pius X go the way of the Revolution.

    Constantine on the contrary must down the ages have contributed to the salvation of millions of souls, an achievement for which he is surely in Heaven. Emperor Constantine, pray for us.

    Kyrie eleison.




    Okay, where's Adolphus complaining that +W wants to canonize
    someone that the Church has not seen fit to even so much as
    venerate for 17 centuries?!  


    You have to admit:  +W doesn't shrink from taking on controversy.


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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson 8-31-13
    « Reply #2 on: August 31, 2013, 01:08:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: H.E.
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    In the course of the previous 250 years, worshippers of Christ had suffered ten bloody persecutions under the Roman Emperors, from Nero (37-68) to Diocletian (243-316). Christians had refused the pagan State religion, so the State had banned Christianity. What the Edict of Milan did was to make Christianity for the first time legal alongside other religions allowed in the Empire. It was the decisive step in the conversion of Rome to Christianity. In 325 Constantine endorsed the orthodoxy of the dogmatic Council of Nicaea. In 380 the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of Rome, and in 392 Theodosius forbade pagan worship.


    It took just 79 years to entirely turn around the culture in Rome, from A.D. 313 to 392.  

    Depending when you want to start counting, we've gone pretty much backwards over the past few decades:  79 years back would put us at 1934:  A.D. 2013 - 79 = A.D. 1934.

    Since just 20 years later, we've had the gutting of Holy Week (1954), the abolition of Papal Infallibility (1962), the heresies of Vat.II and the pernicious refusal of the Council to address the monster of "atheistic" Communism (1965), (it's only "atheistic" by pretense, for it is in fact "Hell's war against God" -Mystery of Iniquity by Fr. Paul Kramer, pg. 23), the practical suppression of Sacrorum Antistitum (1966), the abominable Newmass (1969), the de-facto resurgence
    of paganism in Rome (1978 under JPII the InGrate), the acerbic Newcode of Canon Law (1983), the official demotion of the Mass of all time to second place with Summorum Pontificuм (2007), and throughout it all, the persistent refusal to comply with, the simple request of Our Lady without which there will be no end to this mess.

    That's a lot of ground to cover in only 59 years!

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    Thus Constantine began that union of (Catholic) Church and State which was the foundation of Christendom, better known today as “Western civilisation”. Whatever may have been down the ages the abuse of that union in practice, it is in principle immensely fruitful for the salvation of souls. One need only think of how any township even today will profit from a sane priest and a sane policeman complementing one another. For 1600 years the Catholic Church held to that principle of the union of Church and State, whereas for the last 200 years Revolutionary liberalism has constantly sought to undermine it. Only with Vatican II did the Church at last give way and repudiate the doctrine of the Catholic State by its teaching on religious liberty in Dignitatis Humanae. A ringleader of the neo-modernists at the Council, Fr Yves Congar rejoiced that the Council had put an end to the “Constantinian Church”.


    Do we need any more proof?  Well, maybe Adolphus does. HAHAHAHAHA

    Maybe so.  I agree with what you have said in this post so far, but I don't see what you are trying to prove.  Do we need any more proof of what?

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    But seriously, Yves Congar's rejoicing and the Freemason's pernicious infiltration into the public school system to enshrine the principle of "separation of Church and State" in the minds of unsuspecting children has been par for the course in this faithless and adulterous generation. And it all builds on "evolution" which builds on the heresy of Galileo.

    Quote
    Now it is true that the churchmen being linked to the worldly authorities will bring temptations of worldliness with it, but any State is bound to enforce laws that correspond to some religious or anti-religious view of God and man. To see how difficult it is to lead a Catholic life when that view of the State accords with the anti-religion of secular humanism, just look around you. It was the all-surrounding pressure of modern irreligious States upon the bishops of Vatican II that made them want to change the Catholic Church to fit the modern world. The same pressure is now making the leadership of the Society of St Pius X go the way of the Revolution.

    Constantine on the contrary must down the ages have contributed to the salvation of millions of souls, an achievement for which he is surely in Heaven. Emperor Constantine, pray for us.

    Kyrie eleison.


    Okay, where's Adolphus complaining that +W wants to canonize someone that the Church has not seen fit to even so much as venerate for 17 centuries?!  

    Where's Adolphus complaining?  Nowhere.  Where is yours?

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    You have to admit:  +W doesn't shrink from taking on controversy.

    Agreed.  But no shrinking from taking on controversy does not necessarily means something good.

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    Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson 8-31-13
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  • Catholic Emperor Constantine the Great...
    we pray for your intercession to clean-out the neo-SSPX!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi