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Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
« on: May 05, 2018, 10:03:40 AM »
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  • Number DLXIV (564)
    May 5, 2018
    Bleeding Church
    While Christ was dead, Our Lady alone believed.
    By our strong faith now may She be relieved.

    A colleague resisting the change of Archbishop Lefebvre’s Society of St Pius X into Menzingen’s Newsociety, just like the change of the Catholic Church of Tradition into the Newchurch of Vatican II, has written some interesting considerations, translated here below. They were private, but they are too precious not to be shared more widely. A colleague of his had written to him expressing the hope for Easter that “the Church (and the SSPX) might soon rise from the dead.” He replied:—
    A 60-year old man who I take to be wise, said to me on Holy Saturday, “The Church must be crucified as was her divine Master on Good Friday . . . we are now living through Good Friday . . . . Holy Saturday is still to come, and it will last a while yet.”
    To which I would like to add a few thoughts.
    The Church is by no means about to rise again, rather it is going to bleed to death in a most painful way until it even seems to be no longer there. Whether the SSPX (above all its priests) will be part of this glorious bleeding to death, Heaven alone knows. In any case it is the death by bleeding which is sowing seed for the resurrection.
    If the SSPX refuses to belong to the bleeding Church by wanting to continue to work its way little by little into the multi-religious community presided over by Pope (?) Francis – and Menzingen and Fr Schmidberger have been at work for years to turn the Society into another such Fraternity of St Peter – then the Society will still bleed to death, because one way or another the persecution is probably coming for everybody, especially for people wearing the cassock. However, the Society will not then be suffering as glorious Apostles of the end-times, but rather, alas, as a punishment for their material comfort, lukewarmness and unfaithfulness to the Archbishop who founded their Society . . .
    (If there is above a question mark against “Pope Francis,” it is because for objective reasons there is at the least some uncertainty, some doubt, as to whether he is Pope. That is precisely why in 1988 in the gentlest of ways Heaven separated the Society from a Rome which had become somewhat schismatic . . . . Indeed we have no communion in the Faith with the present authorities in the Vatican, we are truly outside of their communion, or ex-communicated – which is our good fortune and to our honour – just as on the afternoon of the first Good Friday, the Church severely reduced in numbers was also to be found only outside of Jerusalem, on Calvary . . . )
    In truth, nothing throws so much light on the present state of the Church as the Gospel narrative of the Passion of Christ, and conversely one can say that nothing throws so much light on the Gospel narrative as the present desolation of the Church. And just as then the Apostles themselves, even after being repeatedly warned by O ur Lord of his coming Passion (Mt. XVI, 21; XVII, 21; XX, 17–19) could still not believe it was real when it came upon them, so too now many a good Catholic can hardly believe that it is the Church of Christ which has such tormenting problems and such inadequate Popes.
    But God’s purpose in creating the universe was to share His divine happiness by populating His Heaven with rational creatures, angelic or human, that would freely choose to join Him in His Heaven. The key word here is “freely.” With the faculty of reason God gives to every human being capable of using it, also free-will, and He so balances circuмstances for each of us as to make the choice real between Heaven and Hell. Therefore He allows as much freedom as possible for human beings to kill His own Son or to pull down His Son’s Church, but never so much freedom as completely to frustrate His Son or His Church. Therefore He allows unimaginable tribulations for His Church such as only time will fully tell between now and world’s end, but the wisdom of God reaches way beyond our little imaginations (Is. LV, 8,9).
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #1 on: May 05, 2018, 12:06:16 PM »
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  • The current papal situation really is diabolical.  This benedict/francis duo is a design model concocted by infiltrators.  It really tells me that the college of cardinals is running the show.  It is their new model, make no mistake.  I am not going to discuss their thinking.  But, I will inform you of the solution.  The solution is to kick benedict xvi's butt out of the vatican nunnery.  It is a scandal for one that he is still in the vatican, and it is especially scandalous that he is living with nuns.  He needs to be refused entry into any nunnery, and he needs to be excluded from the vatican.  His title cannot be pope emeritus, as if that is even a legitimate formal title.  He goes back to being cardinal ratzinger, and he should not be allowed to wear the papal white cassock.

    This also tells me that the college of cardinals as an institution that in its very nature(excluding the impact of modernism) is a problem.  And, that means it has always been a problem.  I think the college of cardinals is the first manifestation of collegiality's negative impact on the church.  Church councils date back to the apostles, and the council is a manifestation of collegiality, but in a good way.  However, the college of cardinals in my opinion is a manifestation of collegiality in a negative way, and it does not date back to the apostles.    

    If you want or need something to pray for, pray for this regarding benedict xvi.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2018, 06:40:59 PM »
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  • "One day, maybe soon, the See of Rome could become vacant. There have been several false popes, or anti-popes, in Church history. Again, for our own times, or times not far off, Our Lady warned us at La Salette that Rome will become the Seat of the Anti-Christ. It is quite possible that with the death of John Paul II (which may not be far off) there will be a vacant See of Rome or an anti-Pope for a while." -- Bishop Williamson, February 4, 1998
    http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-society-is-neither-liberal-nor.html
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2018, 07:14:46 PM »
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  • I have one correction.  With benedict xvi, I think the reform needed in his life is to forbid the white cassock, remove his pope emeritus title, and remove him from the nunnery.  But, he can still live in vatican city if he so chooses.  That is really not the most important thing.  But, he really ought to find his way to a monastery.   
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2018, 08:42:09 PM »
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  • By "colleague" I understand that to be priest. And by "colleague of his", I understand that one to be a SSPX priest, especially due to context.

    Bishop Williamson is a great bishop. It's good to read Eleison comments.

    I hear crickets from all the "Thou Shalt not doubt the papacy of Francis" posters like Pax Vobis.....
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #5 on: May 05, 2018, 11:47:24 PM »
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  • You can doubt the papacy all you want.  +Williamson can doubt too.  My point all along is that doubts are meaningless until the Church decides.  

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #6 on: May 06, 2018, 10:27:34 AM »
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  • You can doubt the papacy all you want.  +Williamson can doubt too.  My point all along is that doubts are meaningless until the Church decides.  
    In the matter of Faith, serious doubts are never meaningless.  The Church will decide the legal staus of the Popes and the council, but is is impeded and unable to do so at present, no one argues that point, but in the meantime men must make some practical adjustments based upon observable reality to protect there own salvation from what we have come to see, are very dangerous, and even deadly men.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #7 on: May 06, 2018, 11:07:58 AM »
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  • It is sufficient for one’s salvation to recognize that new Rome does not teach “that which has always been taught” and to therefore stick with Tradition.  The question of determining the status of the pope, and any related doubts, is superfluous.  


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2018, 11:14:54 AM »
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  • Sean and company have stated that the identity of the pope is a dogmatic fact and applied this to Bergoglio. Will they call up the good bishop to argue with him?
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2018, 01:56:05 PM »
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  • You can doubt the papacy all you want.  +Williamson can doubt too.  My point all along is that doubts are meaningless until the Church decides.  

    To be fair, I think most who doubt would agree with you that it is up to the Church to decide.

    Otherwise they'd be sedevacantist, wouldn't they? 

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #10 on: May 07, 2018, 05:29:41 AM »
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  • it is up to the Church to decide.


    But you can't have doubts about what the Church of the present has decided - unless you live on the other side of the world and the mule-train is a long time coming.

    Pope Francis' obvious heresies can't by themselves remove him from the Papal Office, so you can't doubt whether he still has it now.

    Could the Bishop be referring to the statements by Georg Ganswein on the 'dual papacy', and the possibility that Benedict's resignation was forced? No amount of 'peaceful recognition' would give Francis the papacy then. It doesn't seem that any theologian has ever discussed the possibility of a 'previous' Pope being still alive.

    But then you have to prove it was a forced resignation...


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bleeding Church (no. 564)
    « Reply #11 on: May 07, 2018, 11:56:23 AM »
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  • But you can't have doubts about what the Church of the present has decided - unless you live on the other side of the world and the mule-train is a long time coming.

    Pope Francis' obvious heresies can't by themselves remove him from the Papal Office, so you can't doubt whether he still has it now.

    Could the Bishop be referring to the statements by Georg Ganswein on the 'dual papacy', and the possibility that Benedict's resignation was forced? No amount of 'peaceful recognition' would give Francis the papacy then. It doesn't seem that any theologian has ever discussed the possibility of a 'previous' Pope being still alive.

    But then you have to prove it was a forced resignation...
    Can you link for me georg ganswin talking about the dual papacy?  It is definitely a model that the modernists are purposely using.  But, so long as benedict xvi has been clear about his resignation, and he has, then he is not the pope.  I am interested to know which vatican characters might be promoting a dual papacy theology, and if ganswein is one of them.  Benedict xvi is complicit so long as he wears the white cassock and accepts the title of pope emeritus, and lives in the vatican nunnery.  He is such a scandal.  I prayed many decades yesterday for benedict xvi to reject these three things.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15