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  • DCCXXI #721
    May 8, 2021
    Beethoven’s Quarter-Millennium
    Of God, Beethoven had a mighty sense
    With which his greatest music is intense.

    Why do films have such an influence on people? Because even Catholics have human nature; and human nature needs music, stories and pictures; and films combine all three. Hence when Hollywood was created in the early 20th century, the enemies of God sprang into action to make sure that they controlled it because of the huge influence which they knew – better than the friends of God seem to have known – that it would have on people’s minds and hearts. One could even say that these enemies created Hollywood. In any case let at least Catholic parents realise how important it is to know and to direct what music it is that their children are listening to, and let them absolutely ban jungle music from the house.
    This is a tall order, because from the moment that children set foot outside the house, they will meet an all-engulfing jungle culture, and in particular jungle peer pressure. The children must stand on their own feet. The parents must give good example, and not listen themselves to music which is sloppy, with no shape or moral value or moral values. Frequently the first door by which the devil will get into their children’s souls is by bad music, and the rest of the decadence will follow. From the use that Mother Church makes of good music at Mass, cannot Catholic parents guess how much use the devil will make of bad music if only there is nobody keeping guard at the entrance to their children’s souls? Music is a unique language of the soul, and has a unique influence on people’s lives.
    It was the 250th anniversary of the birthday on December 16th last year of Ludwig van Beethoven, which recalls the value and importance of good music. Now music-lovers will object straight away that his music is often too stormy, and they themselves prefer earlier composers from calmer times. Fair enough. And if they really have a handle on the earlier composers, by all means let them give to their children what they themselves possess. But the great advantage of Beethoven is that he straddled in time (1770–1827) the French Revolution (1789–1794), so that he was born under the ancien régime, the old way of living, but lived his mature years in Revolutionary times and his last years after the Congress of Vienna (1815), when Europe attempted to tame the Revolutionary forces that had been let loose. But, like in Beethoven’s music, those forces were barely tamed, in fact they have moulded the world more and more ever since, so that numberless youngsters today have no feeling for music earlier than Beethoven, whereas in the Master of Bonn they can clearly sense their own chaos arising.
    Yet Beethoven’s music is by no means only, or primarily, chaotic. The old order is still in his bones as it was in his formation, and it enables a powerful musical mind to shape and control passionate feelings, and here is why Beethoven’s architectural passion, or passionate architecture, is so unique. Broadly speaking, the masterpieces of his maturity express more feeling than did any of the calmer composers who came before him, even while they express more order than did any of the wilder composers who came after him. As Shakespeare, straddling medieval and modern times, can be said to owe his stature as a world artist to his combining of medieval theology with modern psychology, so, broadly speaking, the greatness of Beethoven may be ascribed to his combining of an 18th century head with a 19th century heart.
    He wrote many kinds of music, notably one opera, two Masses, five piano concertos, nine symphonies, 10 violin sonatas, 17 string quartets and 32 piano sonatas, but the most popular and best known of all are undoubtedly the nine symphonies, where the full orchestra and freedom of invention gave to his genius fullest rein. To an unfamiliar ear the symphonies can all sound the same, but the more anyone gets to know them, the more difficult it becomes to say which two most resemble one another, so different are they. Written words cannot say what music says, they can only attempt to describe it, but in another issue of these “Comments” an attempt will be made to describe the symphonies. The unrivalled culture of white European males must not be allowed to perish! It carries God within.
    Kyrie eleison.
    1   A joyful spirit comes to the battlefield
      With promise of weapons musical rare to wield.
     
    2   The master is spreading his wings at greater length,
         Drawing from deafness’ grief yet greater strength.
     
    3   Ready for battle, forward the hero strides,
         To death, but up on high his spirit rides
     
    4   To reign now over opening realms unknown
         With passion, variety, order all his own.
     
    5   But storms do shake the universe’s frame,
         And order, disorder both the victory claim.
     
    6   A walk in the countryside, beside a stream,
        Then peasants dance, a storm, a pastoral dream.
     
    7   A majestic discourse, threnody of the soul,
        Noble in every part, and in the whole.
     
    8   Down from the heights, the hero comes to earth,
         Remembering earlier times, with rhythmic mirth.
     
    9   Doom, fate and crashing heavens open wide?
         Still rhythm, beauty, men’s joy will abide.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
    « Reply #1 on: May 10, 2021, 09:02:30 AM »
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  • Music for the fight is nice, but guidance on 2021 "Mark of the Beast" martyrdom is the more sought after advice.

    :incense:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
    « Reply #2 on: May 10, 2021, 09:12:27 AM »
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  • guidance on 2021 "Mark of the Beast" martyrdom is the more sought after advice.
    Taken as a group, the clerics of Traddieland have never been particularly dialed-in where reality and the day-to-day struggles of the sheep are concerned.

    "Feed my lambs, feed my sheep..."

    "I know, a detailed analysis of great symphonies!  Nothing better for the good of souls during a dark, trying time."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2021, 09:45:36 AM »
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  • DCCXXI #721
    May 8, 2021
    Beethoven’s Quarter-Millennium
    ...Written words cannot say what music says, they can only attempt to describe it, but in another issue of these “Comments” an attempt will be made to describe the symphonies. The unrivalled culture of white European males must not be allowed to perish! It carries God within.

    Thankfully, we can breathe easier and sleep soundly knowing at least one more missive will contain similarly-useful information.

    Is it really the "culture of white European males" that needs to be preserved, or that of Christendom?  This banal, utterly-naturalistic phrase doesn't exactly inspire hope that the forthcoming musical analysis will deliver the desired or needed spiritual goods.  We will see...
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2021, 11:56:21 AM »
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  • Culture of white Christian males IS Christendom. I would add that Catholicism is  the heart of Christendom, the latter being ruptured by the Deformation.

    If you want to listen to full kick arse Catholicism, Beethoven’s Missa Solemnis is the ticket.  :cowboy: ;)
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2021, 12:04:14 PM »
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  • Culture of white Christian males IS Christendom.
    Uh, HeL-Lo-O, brain-dead apologist who cannot read what he WROTE....  :fryingpan:

    He DIDN'T use the word CHRISTIAN in that sentence AT ALL.

    Your addition only proves why his chosen phraseology is unacceptably banal and naturalistic.  Thank you for proving my point.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • I would add that Catholicism is  the heart of Christendom, the latter being ruptured by the Deformation.
    Really???  No sh*t, Sherlock.  In fact, your point is so basic (to past CI members, at least) that I saw no need to mention the patently obvious.  Apparently, I need to recalibrate my thoughts respecting the rank-and-file of Traddieland.  
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • We could ask the good Bishop to do his next treatise on ANGER MANAGEMENT.
    Maybe he would prescribe...a little Beethoven. 
     Quite appropriate for this thread.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • We are all in a war. Battle fatigue is a real problem. Taking a respite is necessary and very productive. I thank the good Bishop for offering a bit of healthy relaxation.

    Any of this sound familiar:

    "Recognizing combat stress and stress symptoms:

    It can be difficult to detect combat stress because the symptoms include a range of physical, behavioral and emotional signs. However, there are some key symptoms, which include:

     Irritability and anger outbursts
     Excessive fear and worry
     Headaches and fatigue
     Depression and apathy
     Loss of appetite
     Problems sleeping
     Changes in behavior or personality

    How to deal with combat stress

    It is important not to blame yourself or a family member for experiencing combat stress. It has nothing to do with weakness or a character flaw. Like an overused muscle, the brain simply needs to heal from too much exposure to trauma and stress. Here are a few steps you can take to recover:
    Attend to your health. Stress can be an important signal that we are overextending our bodies. It is important to stop and attend to the body’s needs by eating right, exercising and getting adequate rest.
     Do things during the day that you enjoy – listen to music, take a walk, remind yourself of things you are grateful for, and use your sense of humor."


    Let's take the fight to the enemy, not our allies.

    P.S. I enjoy your Canuckian sense of humor Kazimierz. :laugh1:
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • Happy belated birthday to BEETHOVEN and Smoky the Bear!
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • There is so much great music including many Masses.  I can’t wait to listen to BEETHOVEN’s Masses.  

    Yes. Beauty from God.  

     “A walk in the countryside, beside a stream”

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • Really???  No sh*t, Sherlock.  In fact, your point is so basic (to past CI members, at least) that I saw no need to mention the patently obvious.  Apparently, I need to recalibrate my thoughts respecting the rank-and-file of Traddieland.  
    You are in need of a serious dose of humility and charity. I might be an idiot but that does not mean you have to be one as well 
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • We are all in a war. Battle fatigue is a real problem. Taking a respite is necessary and very productive. I thank the good Bishop for offering a bit of healthy relaxation.

    Any of this sound familiar:

    "Recognizing combat stress and stress symptoms:

    It can be difficult to detect combat stress because the symptoms include a range of physical, behavioral and emotional signs. However, there are some key symptoms, which include:

     Irritability and anger outbursts
     Excessive fear and worry
     Headaches and fatigue
     Depression and apathy
     Loss of appetite
     Problems sleeping
     Changes in behavior or personality

    How to deal with combat stress

    It is important not to blame yourself or a family member for experiencing combat stress. It has nothing to do with weakness or a character flaw. Like an overused muscle, the brain simply needs to heal from too much exposure to trauma and stress. Here are a few steps you can take to recover:
    Attend to your health. Stress can be an important signal that we are overextending our bodies. It is important to stop and attend to the body’s needs by eating right, exercising and getting adequate rest.
     Do things during the day that you enjoy – listen to music, take a walk, remind yourself of things you are grateful for, and use your sense of humor."


    Let's take the fight to the enemy, not our allies.

    P.S. I enjoy your Canuckian sense of humor Kazimierz. :laugh1:
    My humble thanks Emile.  :cowboy:

    It keeps me sane and defuses the desire to throttle people who are in need of such.  ;)
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Beethovens Quarter Millennium (no. 721)
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  • Maybe he would prescribe...a little Beethoven.

    Who knows?  He might recommend (or at least approve) listening to Marty Haugen's Greatest Hits of the Novus Ordo  ::)

    The Golden Rule and Absolute Rule of Rules: If it nourishes your faith, such as it is, just do it, baby!
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."