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Offline Mr G

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Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2023, 05:08:22 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson does not believe that the New Mass is ALWAYS illicit.  As Ladislaus wrote, "NOM is to be avoided only because of the danger it poses to faith, i.e. per accidens even though per se it's acceptable."  This is what Bishop Williamson believes.
    I did not see where the Bishop states that the ""NOM is to be avoided ONLY because of the danger it poses to faith", I do not see the word ONLY in the Eleison Comments. He gives it (danger to the faith) as a reason, but not the exclusive, only, reason. 

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #61 on: October 01, 2023, 05:14:59 PM »
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  • I did not see where the Bishop states that the ""NOM is to be avoided ONLY because of the danger it poses to faith", I do not see the word ONLY in the Eleison Comments. He gives it (danger to the faith) as a reason, but not the exclusive, only, reason.

    Read it again.  Intrinsically acceptable to God, but to be avoided due to the danger it poses to faith.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #62 on: October 01, 2023, 06:07:18 PM »
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  • I did not see where the Bishop states that the ""NOM is to be avoided ONLY because of the danger it poses to faith", I do not see the word ONLY in the Eleison Comments. He gives it (danger to the faith) as a reason, but not the exclusive, only, reason.

    It has been evident since 2015 that Bishop Williamson does not reject wholesale active attendance at the New Mass.  Are you new to this matter?

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #63 on: October 01, 2023, 08:05:39 PM »
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  • Super gαy.

    But why Sean-boy is obsessed with gαyness :confused:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #64 on: October 02, 2023, 07:07:24 AM »
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  • Except that:

    1) +Williamson gives holy oils to many priests who probably don't believe in various alleged Eucharistic miracles;

    2) Fr. Hewko is the only recipient of this judgmentt by +Williamson (which really means its really just an excuse not to give Fr. Hewko oils, for other well known reasons).
    Except there is no evidence in his email that this message is solely meant for Fr Hewko.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #65 on: October 02, 2023, 08:06:32 AM »
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  • It has been evident since 2015 that Bishop Williamson does not reject wholesale active attendance at the New Mass.  Are you new to this matter?
    Hi Tony,

    I do not object with what you say above, I was objecting with your accusation of Bishop Williamson claiming the he believes that the New Mass is "licit" (in the Canonical sense of the word. Meaning that the New Mass is a legitimate/legal Mass officially approved by the Catholic Church). I have not seen any evidence that the Bishop said that the New Mass is licit (legal/legitimate) although he "does not reject wholesale active attendance at the New Mass". 

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #66 on: October 02, 2023, 08:34:41 AM »
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  • Hi Tony,

    I do not object with what you say above, I was objecting with your accusation of Bishop Williamson claiming the he believes that the New Mass is "licit" (in the Canonical sense of the word. Meaning that the New Mass is a legitimate/legal Mass officially approved by the Catholic Church). I have not seen any evidence that the Bishop said that the New Mass is licit (legal/legitimate) although he "does not reject wholesale active attendance at the New Mass".

    I mean morally licit.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #67 on: October 02, 2023, 11:50:40 AM »
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  • I mean morally licit.
    Thank you for your clarification.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #68 on: October 02, 2023, 08:21:45 PM »
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    So we've shifted from the NOM can be valid to attending the NOM can be "acceptable."
    Yes, this is shameful.  Let us all pray for +W that he wake up and take a principled, factual stance on such an important topic.  The Traditional movement is based on doctrine, canon law and theology...not supposed miracles. 


    The new mass is anti-orthodox doctrine, canon law tells us we can't go to doubtful sacraments and it's theology is anti-Trent.  It's been many, many, MANY years since +W has reminded his audience of such truths, which damn the new mass to the hell from whence it came.