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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2023, 05:12:58 PM »
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  • Last time I checked, the OP is the most recent article produced by Bishop Williamson.

    It's really pathetic how you're such a sniveling toady / lackey that you're not man enough to disagree about anything Bishop Williamson says.  He's clearly wrong about this matter, and he'd be better served by not being surrounded by brown-nosed suck-ups like yourself.  One doesn't have to be as rude and as disrespectful as the Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, but not only is it permissible for his "followers" to criticize him, but it's necessary ... since he could very well be doing the devil's work here by promoting the notion that the NOM is acceptable to God.

    You can play word games and semantics all you want, so even if you claim that Bishop Williamson didn't say it's acceptable to attend the NOM, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it could easily be taken that way by the faithful, so perhaps even you can grasp it, Sean.  "I can attend the NOM without danger to my faith, so I'd rather go to daily Mass at the Novus Ordo here to receive the Sacraments."

    It’s hilarious that a loser like you -who’s only life is his OCD Cathinfo world of make belief- considers himself able to correct the rest of the planet, and even attributes false positions to others in order to pretend to be able to set them straight.  I wonder if you’re wearing a miter as you bullshit your way through another 100 CI posts tonight?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Angelus

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #31 on: September 30, 2023, 05:46:54 PM »
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  • These particular Novus Ordo "eucharistic miracles" are fake. They are a strategy of Bergoglio as you can see from this article:

    https://aleteia.org/2020/06/13/the-future-pope-francis-was-in-charge-of-dealing-with-this-reported-eucharistic-miracle/

    Dr. Franco Serafini wrote the book that Bp. Williamson is talking about. In the article referenced above. Dr. Serafini has this to say about Bergoglio:


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    Bergoglio in Eucharistic Adoration
    Serafini, who has been in Buenos Aires, also tells of witnesses who saw Bergoglio go every year to the Parish of Santa Maria, and kneel for an hour to do Eucharistic adoration. The parish published a postcard with the photo.

    When the pope was shown the photo that portrayed him from behind he said, “This is the best photo I have ever seen of a bishop: It represents him as he should be,” according to Serafini.

    So far, the case is called a Eucharistic “sign” and not a miracle. The Host remains exposed on the altar on the left side of St. Mary’s Parish in Buenos Aires, in a chapel dedicated to Eucharistic adoration.

    Serafini says that the Eucharistic sign in St. Mary’s Parish in Buenos Aires is treated with discretion and does not bring the clamor of major media outlets.

    Pope Francis has on more than one occasion revealed that evangelization is an encounter: an encounter with the One who has given his life for humanity and who calls His disciples friends. In His words, “Love one another as I have loved you. There is no greater love than to give one’s life for one’s friends.” And Jesus, in the Body and Blood of His sacrifice, reminds humanity of His friendship.


    This guy Serafini is obviously a toady of Bergoglio. His book will be used as evidence by Bergoglio to FINALLY approve the Buenos Aires "miracles" that Bergoglio himself, up to this point, has "prudently" refused to fully recognize.

    These miracles are what Apocalypse 13:13 refers to when it says that the False Prophet will "make fire come down from Heaven." The "fire come down from heaven" reference is an allusion to 3 Kings 18:38 when Elijah made "fire come down from heaven" as a proof that the Priests of Baal were false.

    Bergoglio, the False Prophet, will use these fake miracles of the Eucharist to prove the claim that the Novus Ordo is the holy mass with a valid Eucharist, approved by God.

    The real question is why, of all things for Williamson to be focused on, would he be on Bergoglio's side on this issue and promoting it all over the place?


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #32 on: September 30, 2023, 07:06:05 PM »
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  • NOM is a Protestantized bastardization of the Catholic Mass, and I hold that, as such, it objectively displeases and offends God.

    Correct.  Active attendance at the New Mass is an intrinsically evil act.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #33 on: September 30, 2023, 07:13:27 PM »
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  • Remember that Bishop Williamson used to publicly teach that the New Mass is always illicit.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #34 on: September 30, 2023, 08:14:20 PM »
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  • And ... here we go.

    Bishop Williamson:
    So we've shifted from the NOM can be valid to attending the NOM can be "acceptable."

    If you recall, when I argued that the devil can easily simulate such "miracles" (assuming they can't be written off as fraudulent), I speculated about WHY the devil WOULD simulate such "miracles", namely, to give people, including Traditional Catholics, the impression that God is not displeased with the NOM and that it's "acceptable" to assist at it.

    It's one thing to say that the NOM might be valid, and quite another thing to say that it's "acceptable" to attend it.  I TOLD you that these "miracles" could be construed or taken in a way that people might be persuaded that it's OK to assist at the NOM.  For the devil, it's MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    Now, I don't know for sure that these are even legit.  What isn't covered by Bishop Williamson is that one Catholic scientist concluded that the red substance on one of the Polish "miraculous" hosts could very well be a kind of red mold, and that the female Catholic scientist who concluded that it was miraculous may have just been looking for it to be a miracle out of the gate and thus found what she wanted to find.  It's interesting that the two Polish events follow the same pattern, a host that was dropped, then placed into a cup of water to be dissolved, only for someone to find the red splotches at a later time.  Both in Poland.  Could there be something in the wheat or in the environment in Poland that's conducive to the growth of some kind of red mold?  But, even IF these can't be explained through natural causes, the devil can easily simulate them ... and for the reasons stated.
    The false divine mercy came from Poland as did JP2...


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #35 on: September 30, 2023, 08:31:56 PM »
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  • The false divine mercy came from Poland as did JP2...

    gαy
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #36 on: September 30, 2023, 08:34:12 PM »
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  • Correct.  Active attendance at the New Mass is an intrinsically evil act.

    Super gαy.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #37 on: September 30, 2023, 08:48:04 PM »
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  • It’s hilarious that a loser like you -who’s only life is his OCD Cathinfo world of make belief- considers himself able to correct the rest of the planet, and even attributes false positions to others in order to pretend to be able to set them straight.  I wonder if you’re wearing a miter as you bullshit your way through another 100 CI posts tonight?

    Very mature, as usual, Sean.  And, as usual, not a lick of substance.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #38 on: September 30, 2023, 08:52:56 PM »
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  • Very mature, as usual, Sean.  And, as usual, not a lick of substance.

    Lad-

    You need this, urgently:

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #39 on: September 30, 2023, 10:29:32 PM »
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  • But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #40 on: September 30, 2023, 10:42:16 PM »
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  • Thank you, Sean and Ladislaus, for doing my internal debate for me—-minus personal insults!

    Keep focused and continue.  You haven’t yet made up my mind.  


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #41 on: October 01, 2023, 01:43:13 AM »
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  • The false divine mercy came from Poland as did JP2...

    So did my grandmother! 👵🏻
    Watch your words! 👀   
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #42 on: October 01, 2023, 05:44:15 AM »
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  • Um... did I miss something? I just read the entire EC and didn't see any change from his past about anything. He's giving his thoughts and opinions, he's on his soapbox -- nothing more. I saw no ultimatums, no demands for anyone to "tow the line" or anything like your above quote suggests.
    Not in the EC, but there was an entire thread not too long-ago involving emails between Bishop Williamson and Fr Hewko and then an email with Sean that clarified his position.

    Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils" - page 6 - SSPX Resistance News - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)  

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #43 on: October 01, 2023, 06:16:55 AM »
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  • Not in the EC, but there was an entire thread not too long-ago involving emails between Bishop Williamson and Fr Hewko and then an email with Sean that clarified his position.

    Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils" - page 6 - SSPX Resistance News - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com) 

    Yeah, that was more from Loudestmouth's magical world of make believe, where he tried to create yet another position for +Williamson.  Thoroughly refuted throughout (at least for anyone with any common sense).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Bad Shepherds (no. 846)
    « Reply #44 on: October 01, 2023, 06:36:51 AM »
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  • Yeah, that was more from Loudestmouth's magical world of make believe, where he tried to create yet another position for +Williamson.  Thoroughly refuted throughout (at least for anyone with any common sense).
    No, it was Bishop Williamson's own words.  See what he says about "common sense":

    Dear Sean,

    It is clear and repeated denial of true scientific evidence which renders anyone guilty of one of the unforgivable sins against the Holy Ghost. Let anybody in doubt look them up.

    Common sense says that precious gifts of God should hardly be handed out to people hardly able to appreciate reality.

    God bless, BpW.