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  • Number DLXXV (575)
    July 21, 2018
    Artificial Intelligence – II
    The world will not be conquered by machines,
    But wrecked by childish men’s mechanical dreams.

    Artificial Intelligence is in fact a contradiction in terms. Anything artificial cannot be intelligent. Anything truly intelligent cannot be artificial. Any intelligent being must (as such) be living, spiritual and free. Anything artificial must (as such) be non-living and material and cannot be free. Therefore nothing artificial can be intelligent in the true sense of the word, and nothing truly intelligent can be artificial. An intelligence can be created by God alone. Man can create only things artificial.
    To show as much, let us assume with the “Comments” of last week that there are three ranks of spiritual beings: the (1) Creator, (2) angels and (3) men, and four ranks of material beings: (3) men, (4) animal, (5) vegetable and (6) mineral. This means that man is the most complicated of creatures, because he alone is both spiritual and material. If anybody claims that man is purely material, he is probably making the most elementary of errors in philosophy, namely that only material beings exist. That error is widespread in our materialistic world of today, but either such a man has never thought or loved, or he is denying the full nature of his own experience. But if then he is nothing but matter, why does he have such a sharp sense of his own human dignity? And why does he behave as though freedom is of supreme importance to him?
    In fact the six ranks of being can be graded by how far they climb out of matter. (6) Mineral is locked into matter but (5) plants are not so locked – they live and move, but still they are fixed in place and know nothing outside of themselves. (4) Animals live and move, but are not fixed in place and they have sense-knowledge and sense-desire of material things outside themselves. (5) Men live and move, are not fixed in place, and have not only sense-knowledge and sense-desire of material particulars outside themselves, but also intelligence and desire by will of non-material universals outside themselves, which is a huge step forward in climbing free of matter. The word “intelligence” comes from the Latin “intus-lego,” meaning “within I read,” that is to say, intelligence reads within things sensed their non-material form or essence. This is because intelligence, and the will which follows it, are both spiritual faculties, belonging to that part of man which is, as such, free from matter and above matter.
    And upon these two faculties follows the freedom of (3) man’s will, shared by no other (4) animals which are all locked into their instincts. And that freedom manifests even to the most atheistic of materialists his superior dignity above all mere (4) animals, if he is only honest enough to recognise the fact. Above man are the (2) angels who are purely spiritual and intelligent but still particular beings, whereas (1) the Creator is universal spiritual Being Itself, locked into no matter nor even into any particularity.
    Thus (3) man is living, and spiritual by his immortal soul with its intelligence and will which are the foundation of his free-will, making him free. Now is anything “artificial,” like a computer or a robot, either living or spiritual or free? Firstly, is not living from within itself. Nature spills human, animal and plant seed in all directions, and every seed contains life. But despite tremendous effort now for many years, human art has not succeeded in creating one seed with life inside it (and one suspects it never will). Secondly, if nothing made by human art is living, still less can it be spiritual, because a spiritual being presupposes a high (3) form of life. And thirdly no computer or robot made by man can possibly be free, because free-will presupposes a spiritual intelligence which no human art can fabricate. A (3) spiritual intelligence can be created not even by a (2) angel, but by (1) the Creator alone, God.
    Therefore (6) computers and computer-driven robots cannot be living, and can initiate nothing outside what has been programmed into them. They cannot be intelligent in the full sense of the word, because that requires a spiritual being which God alone can create. And so they cannot be free to make any decision on their own, they are mere (6) machines, locked inside their (6) material programme. To credit them with any human passions, original thinking or freedom is simply childish materialism.
    Kyrie eleison.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 09:28:44 PM »
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  • *grabs popcorn and waits for everyone to freak out that it’s AI pt 2 and no comments on the GC*


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 09:33:59 PM »
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  • Why Your Excellency?  Why?  Are you playing with us?

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #3 on: July 21, 2018, 10:14:03 PM »
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  • Why Your Excellency?  Why?  Are you playing with us?

    Your questions were answered by AveCorMariae in the other AI thread:

    Certainly Mr. Brian Mc Call wasn't very smart when commenting about an event that wasn't over yet, now he has to eat his own words. The Bishop is smarter than that, and I am glad to wait for a responsible comment, based on all the facts!

    The whole world knows His Excellency will speak on the GC next week (it only having ended 9 hours before the release of this latest EC).

    Just wondering why you and Holli can't figure that out?

    Maybe you don't want to?

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #4 on: July 21, 2018, 10:25:43 PM »
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  • 1.  The neo-sspx has been on the decline since 2012 (6 years).  Why is everyone so impatient for +W to tell us what we already know?
    2.  We all know that the neo-sspx's elections were a trainwreck, so why do we need +W to confirm this?
    3.  +W will eventually confirm this anyway, but what will it change when he does?  


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #5 on: July 21, 2018, 10:34:24 PM »
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  • Your questions were answered by AveCorMariae in the other AI thread:

    Certainly Mr. Brian Mc Call wasn't very smart when commenting about an event that wasn't over yet, now he has to eat his own words. The Bishop is smarter than that, and I am glad to wait for a responsible comment, based on all the facts!

    The whole world knows His Excellency will speak on the GC next week (it only having ended 9 hours before the release of this latest EC).

    Just wondering why you and Holli can't figure that out?

    Maybe you don't want to?

    I'm just saying it would have been nice if he at least said something like "Hang on folks.  I'm with you."  I wasn't expecting any profound pontificating or anything -- was just hoping for a simple acknowledgement.  Oh, well -- perhaps that was too much to expect.  Whatever.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #6 on: July 22, 2018, 07:34:59 AM »
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  • An argument could also be made that the world doesn't revolve around the neo-SSPX.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2018, 08:48:05 AM »
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  • Why Your Excellency?  Why?  Are you playing with us?
    Ummm...perhaps +W writes his EC's in advance and is waiting to write on the General Chapter. One of the problems today is that we EXPECT IMMEDIATE information and when we don't get it we lose patience. Let's give him a chance to write on the topic. Man....


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2018, 09:01:26 AM »
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  • FWIW, I think next week's EC will discuss it.  
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #9 on: July 22, 2018, 09:34:16 AM »
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  • An argument could also be made that the world doesn't revolve around the neo-SSPX.
    The best argument so far! Happenings and the Bishop's comments about it are not that important, in the big scheme of things. We can see for ourselves what is happening, or not.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #10 on: July 22, 2018, 01:46:56 PM »
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  • Why Your Excellency?  Why?  Are you playing with us?

    Apologies to the Bishop!  I withdraw my statement which was made in haste.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #11 on: July 22, 2018, 05:19:06 PM »
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  • 1.  The neo-sspx has been on the decline since 2012 (6 years).  Why is everyone so impatient for +W to tell us what we already know?
    2.  We all know that the neo-sspx's elections were a trainwreck, so why do we need +W to confirm this?
    3.  +W will eventually confirm this anyway, but what will it change when he does?  

    Nothing has changed.  What's there to say?


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #12 on: July 22, 2018, 09:30:46 PM »
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  • (To be ostracized is painful.)

    Bishop Williamson is most likely praying before making any statement.  And yes, anyone would need a rest after traveling.  

    Maybe some things are better left unsaid.   

    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Artificial Intelligence? Part 2 (no. 575)
    « Reply #13 on: July 22, 2018, 09:32:53 PM »
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  • (To be ostracized is painful.)

    Bishop Williamson is most likely praying before making any statement.  And yes, anyone would need a rest after traveling.  

    Maybe some things are better left unsaid.   

    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

     

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