First, as St Augustine observes, The prophets spoke more plainly and openly of the church than of Christ, foreseeing that on this a much greater number may err and be deceived than on the mystery of the Incarnation. For in after ages there would not be wanting wicked men who, like an ape would fain to pass for a man, would claim that THEY ALONE WERE CATHOLICS, AND WITH NO LESS IMPIETY THAN EFFRONTERY ASSERT THAT WITH THEM ALONE IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Trent!

Does this sound like Johannes?

Oldyank,

I should ask....since I'm not now sure that I'm understanding the above quote properly. Is the quote from Trent, and was Trent quoting St. Augustine? It seems to be saying that it is both impious and an effrontery for men to claim that they alone are Catholics and that with them alone is the Catholic Church. That would make sense.

What the above quote also seems to be saying is that a greater number would be deceived and err regarding the Church, rather than on the subject of the incarnation. That does seem to be the case, on both of the extreme sides of the issue. Though I don't consider SV to always be extreme, more often than not the SV's here aren't extreme, but Johannes' opinion seems to be.