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Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2023, 10:27:57 AM »
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  • Someone needs to ban you for your own good.  You need to get off the internet.  You've promoted one crackpot theory after another, and are having the effect of discrediting a lot of the causes you think you're serving.
    :laugh1:

    A great quotation to use in response to practically anything Loudestmouth posts on this forum.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #16 on: February 13, 2023, 11:17:23 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson shares that opinion.  Did you and Lad read his words:

    "A famous Russian adviser of President Putin, Alexander Dugin"

    The articles that I have posted are not just opinion, but include actual interviews with Dugin himself

    as well as video proof of his demonic Anti-Catholic beliefs.

    Okay, okay… Dugin has some “problems”. :facepalm: 

    But what is surprising is+W’s continued references to Churchill.  As if in the view of Catholic revisionist history, he’s a reputable figure?

    Winston was a jew and crypto-communist. And his atrocities were many.  The Dresden fire-bombing was just one example. I think Wise docuмented this in his films of recent years.

    So what do we have here?
    You can call it a big disconnect.

    The Novus ordo & neo-trads might believe Putin’s is in pre-Catholic conversion mode and the good guy, but there are solid arguments to the contrary.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #17 on: February 13, 2023, 08:55:29 PM »
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    I get the impression that +W is trying to emphasize how Russia's patriotism (and to a lesser extent perhaps, religion) has caused them to help both Europe and Russia. Even communism did not destroy their love of their country. I think that we have patriots here too, but it seems more ingrained in Russian culture than here, for some reason.
    Exactly.  We Americans have trouble understanding cultures that are 700+ years old because our country is so young, and is a melting pot of many cultures/ideas.  American does not have any unified religious culture, because we've never been a strictly catholic country.  At best, we are a pro-natural law, God-fearing nation. 

    But Europe and Russia's cultural history is so intertwined with Catholicism that they cannot be separated.  To kill Catholicism, you must wipe Europe/Russia off the face of the earth, which is what the globalists have tried to do.  They've tried multiple world wars, fascism, socialism, communism, mass immigration, etc, etc.  But God won't allow it.

    So that leaves only one conclusion...Europe/Russia will survive and so will Catholicism in those countries.  The Russians have already reached "rock bottom" (similarly to Poland/Hungary), which is why these countries are seeing an increase in pro-family, pro-country, nationalist attitudes.  And anything pro-Poland, or pro-Hungary, or pro-Russia will (eventually) lead to pro-Catholicism, because in re-building the culture, you will necessarily re-build the foundation, which is the Faith.

    Europe, as many prophecies say, won't hit "rock bottom" until cινιℓ ωαrs break out and many people die.  Just like during the French Revolution, it will take blood in the streets to get europeans to hit their knees and convert.  But when they do repent, it will be powerful.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #18 on: February 13, 2023, 10:27:27 PM »
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  • Well, if many "prophecies" say it, it must be true I guess?

    Is that what the Catholic Church teaches?

    Does the Catholic Church teach that we should look to the rebuilder of the Third Temple as our "Savior"?

    No.

    The rebuilder of the Third Temple is the Moshiach.  The Antichrist.


    Don't click here.  Really, don't click.  You might be disappointed

    to find out that Putin and Trump are slated to rebuild the Third Temple...

    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/trump-and-putin-slated-to-build-third-temple/


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    Putin's first public act after Yeltsin appointed him (and Bill Clinton signed off on) as his successor was to power up and unlock the uber mensch level at the Chabad ѕуηαgσgυє (notice Netanyahu too) in Moscow. Tikkun Olam Russia! How based! Way to defend Christianity!

    Don't click here to see short video:


    https://twitter.com/2022moshiachnow/status/1607612139027501056
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #19 on: February 14, 2023, 12:04:24 AM »
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  • Putin himself has often been defending what are natural and Christian values against the immoral perversions of the rotten West, thereby cutting the figure of a real statesman amidst the puppets who posture today as leaders of the Western nations.


    Kyrie eleison
    Putin's been dictator ever since Yeltsin. That's a long time. He's killed a lot of people for politcal reasons by now. He was a Major in the East German Stasi and his passport and other resources have identified him as a Jew, a "crypto-Jew", and not so crypto if one looks into it. Chabad Lubavitch recognizes his aliyah privileges since they reckon he's a Jew, however crypto or not. He's all on board with the h0Ɩ0cαųst doctrine that puts people in jail for denying it, and that brand of social law enforcement. Besides being upset about anti-Semtism, he's against white men in America for fighting Indians and the Ukrainians for being "nαzι's". He's opposed to their "racism" and has complained about that enough like a communist school master. He mourned the passing away of the Soviet Union and wants to bring it back. After being neo-Soviet dictator for so long, he's one of the richest men in the world. He approved two robot doll brothels, one in St. Petersburg and the other in Moscow. He associates with the Wagner group that is known for atrocities, including at least two sledgehammer skull-crushing basement snuff videos they've put on the internet. The Russian army under his Supreme neo-Soviet dictator command has committed a host of war crimes in the Ukraine including dropping phosphorous bombs -- just a nasty thing to do. 


    He looks like a Stasi goon to me.

    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=152837 Putin's Passport Proves He's a member of the Tribe




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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #20 on: February 14, 2023, 08:18:46 AM »
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    Well, if many "prophecies" say it, it must be true I guess?
    Ok, so you don't believe in Fatima.  Duly noted.


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    Is that what the Catholic Church teaches?
    Our Lady said she would convert Russia.  The Church approved Fatima.  It's not a teaching but an approval of the message.


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    Does the Catholic Church teach that we should look to the rebuilder of the Third Temple as our "Savior"?
    Our Lady can convert whomever She wishes, whenever She wishes, for whatever reason.  Or, She can completely ignore Putin and convert all of Russia and have Putin overthrown.  Whatever these globalists want to do, means nothing.  She is more powerful than all the devils in hell.  Russia will convert when She decides, and Putin will either convert with them or be brushed aside like a leaf in the wind.


    You give too much power to these evil men, that's your problem.  That's why you're obsessed over what they're doing.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #21 on: February 14, 2023, 08:43:05 AM »
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  • Ok, so you don't believe in Fatima.  Duly noted.

    Our Lady said she would convert Russia.  The Church approved Fatima.  It's not a teaching but an approval of the message.

    Our Lady can convert whomever She wishes, whenever She wishes, for whatever reason.  Or, She can completely ignore Putin and convert all of Russia and have Putin overthrown.  Whatever these globalists want to do, means nothing.  She is more powerful than all the devils in hell.  Russia will convert when She decides, and Putin will either convert with them or be brushed aside like a leaf in the wind.


    You give too much power to these evil men, that's your problem.  That's why you're obsessed over what they're doing.
    Many people can't even see that these men are evil in the first place.

    The problem is thinking we can interpret Fatima and our interpretation is gospel and anyone who disagrees is a faithless anathema.

    St John of the Cross and Cardinal Ottaviani warned against this kind of thinking. 

    I've known Traditional priests (Sede and FSSP)  who interpret the Fatima message to already have been fulfilled.

    Their belief is similar to this:

    "Pope Pius XII consecrated specifically Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on July 7, 1952, fulfilling Our Lady’s promise. She never promised he would do it with all the bishops but that he would do it none-the-less. (10)

    Consequently, Russia converted out of its Communist ways ending the persecution on her Christians and there was a certain period of peace. The nations that were annihilated into the Soviet Union have regained their sovereignty. (11)"


    https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/the-hidden-message-of-fatima/


    Is their interpretation correct?  I don't know. 

    Will God allow the evil one to deceive the elect with signs and wonders? 

    Yes.  That I do know.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #22 on: February 14, 2023, 08:49:37 AM »
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    Will God allow the evil one to deceive the elect with signs and wonders? 
    No, He will not.  That's why Scripture says the "days will be shortened"...to protect the elect.


    God will allow the NON-elect to be deceived, because the NON-elect did not have recourse to Him, through prayer.

    Again, you give too much power to antichrist and his agents.  You need to mediate on God's power and omnipotence.  Then you'd stop worrying and being fearful of insignificant, powerless, evil men.


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #23 on: February 14, 2023, 08:53:44 AM »
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  • Many people can't even see that these men are evil in the first place.

    Does Sacred Scripture and Tradition say that our main duty as a Catholic is to continually fear evil men? Or that we must unmask evil men? Or that they are more powerful than God?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #24 on: February 14, 2023, 09:42:56 AM »
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  • Does Sacred Scripture and Tradition say that our main duty as a Catholic is to continually fear evil men? Or that we must unmask evil men? Or that they are more powerful than God?

    I have no fear of men.  I only fear my sins.

    And yes, it is our duty to unmask evil men!






    When we think it's impossible to deceive us, we are at the greatest risk of being deceived. 

    Pride goeth before the fall.




    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #25 on: February 14, 2023, 09:53:47 AM »
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  • And yes, it is our duty to unmask evil men!
    I agree with all the information you have posted on this topic.  But I have a question for you...why are you preaching to the choir?  Everyone who reads this site agrees with you that Putin is a bad guy and not to be trusted so I'm confused as to what your goal is with these posts.  I ask in friendship.


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #26 on: February 14, 2023, 10:00:50 AM »
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  • No, He will not.  That's why Scripture says the "days will be shortened"...to protect the elect.


    God will allow the NON-elect to be deceived, because the NON-elect did not have recourse to Him, through prayer.

    Again, you give too much power to antichrist and his agents.  You need to mediate on God's power and omnipotence.  Then you'd stop worrying and being fearful of insignificant, powerless, evil men.
    "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect."


    Our Lord Jesus warned us to be on guard.

    He warned there will be false Christs, false prophets and we have already seen many false Marys.

    Forty million pilgrims for 40 years have been deceived by Medjurgoje. They pray three rosaries a day and fast on bread and water on Wednesdays and Fridays.  Yet, they are deceived.


    You are very confident that your interpretation of Fatima is correct and you know what the future holds.

    Be careful.  Pride goeth before the fall.

    St John of the Cross warns:
    "Although sayings and revelations may be of God, we cannot always be sure of their meaning; for we can very easily be greatly deceived by them because of our manner of understanding them. "

    "FOR two reasons we have said that, although visions and locutions which come from God are true, and in themselves are always certain, they are not always so with respect to ourselves. One reason is the defective way in which we understand them; and the other, the variety of their causes. In the first place, it is clear that they are not always as they seem, nor do they turn out as they appear to our manner of thinking. The reason for this is that, since God is vast and boundless, He is wont, in His prophecies, locutions and revelations, to employ ways, concepts and methods of seeing things which differ greatly from such purpose and method as can normally be understood by ourselves; and these are the truer and the more certain the less they seem so to us. This we constantly see in the Scriptures. To many of the ancients many prophecies and locutions of God came not to pass as they expected, because they understood them after their own manner, in the wrong way, and quite literally. This will be clearly seen in these passages."

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/privaterevelation/visions.htm

    There is more than one way to interpret Fatima.



    Here is more to consider from this thread:

    https://twitter.com/FitzInfo/status/1624652930539302913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AFitzInfo%7Ctwcon%5Es1

    "Roman Catholic (the majority of Christendom), Eastern Orthodox, & many Protestant denominations  teach #3 & #4 or a combination of the two. Chart #1 & #2 are reserved for a minority of mainly Protestant denominations. To the point, we await the last judgment, preceded by calamity



    The Fatima (private revelation) "prophetic" timeline seems more consistent with #1. Therefore, it appears to be premillennialist, if anything. If correct, this would make the Fatima timeline inconsistent with Roman Catholic amillennialist teaching.



    I may be reaching here, but if you substitute the New Pope/Great Monarch in the Fatima timeline with an anti-Christ, the Church would be set up for a massive deception (likely preceded by a false liberation)."
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #27 on: February 14, 2023, 10:09:38 AM »
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  • I have no fear of men.  I only fear my sins.

    And yes, it is our duty to unmask evil men!






    When we think it's impossible to deceive us, we are at the greatest risk of being deceived. 

    Pride goeth before the fall.






    You conveniently left out the part where I asked if it's our MAIN duty as Catholics to unmask evil men. Do you think it's our MAIN duty?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #28 on: February 14, 2023, 10:10:47 AM »
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  • I agree with all the information you have posted on this topic.  But I have a question for you...why are you preaching to the choir?  Everyone who reads this site agrees with you that Putin is a bad guy and not to be trusted so I'm confused as to what your goal is with these posts.  I ask in friendship.

    Well, I've actually seen a lot of Putin worship over the past year with people believing he is a true Christian plus a false narrative that the Russian Orthodox Church is our only hope and failure to see the heresies and red flags of Archbishop Vigano.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
    « Reply #29 on: February 14, 2023, 10:16:16 AM »
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  • You conveniently left out the part where I asked if it's our MAIN duty as Catholics to unmask evil men. Do you think it's our main duty?


    Of course it is not our main duty at all times.  

    Yet these are not normal times, Meg.

    Turn on the news and see for yourself.

    This a time of great deception.

    So yes, whether it be regarding COVID, aliens, false prophecies...

    it is our duty to unmask the deceptions and deceivers.

    Praying for you, Meg!  Please pray for me. :)
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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