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Title: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Seek the Truth on February 11, 2023, 10:18:10 PM
RUSSIA CONVERTING ?

To the Immaculate Heart of Mary we all must pray 
For Holy Russia its saving role to play.


Russia is very much in the news because of the war in the Ukraine still raging in the New Year, and Russia is getting from our vile media a uniformly bad press. This is no doubt partly deserved because Communist Russia (1917–1991) did indeed, in the words of Our Lady of Fatima, “spread its errors all over the world.” However, there is certainly more to the enormous land of Russia than meets the eye. Winston Churchill (1874–1965) was a brilliant politician but he was baffled by Russia, calling it “a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.” On the contrary Our Lady of Fatima called for the Catholic Pope and bishops to Consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart, and then “a period of peace will be given to the world.” But why Russia? Why not countries much more Catholic like Italy or France? 

Surely the key to Russia is that it is a deeply religious people, known for centuries after its conversion to Christianity in 988 as “Holy Russia,” with a corresponding capacity for great good, or great evil. Here is what may have baffled a modern materialist like Churchill. Thus too Russians have called Moscow the “Third Rome,” suggesting it is the successor of Rome itself and then of Byzantine Constantinople, as though Moscow has a central part to play in Christianising the world. A famous Russian adviser of President Putin, Alexander Dugin, speaks clearly of the war in Ukraine as though Russia is fighting to stop the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr from dechristianising mankind. Putin himself has often been defending what are natural and Christian values against the immoral perversions of the rotten West, thereby cutting the figure of a real statesman amidst the puppets who posture today as leaders of the Western nations. 

It has happened before in history that Russia acted to save Europe from the demons of liberalism. By 1812 Napoleon had set up the French Revolution in many countries of Europe, and in that year he put together a huge army of 600,000 men to invade Russia and bring it also within his ambition for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, yet to be born. The Russian winter is usually credited with Napoleon’s defeat, but it was Russians who by their patriotism and courage at the battle of Borodino inflicted a body blow on the invading army. In 1814 Tsar Alexander I was in Paris with his soldiers to make peace with France and to put together the “Holy Alliance” to help Europe to keep the Revolution at bay. Even in 1941 Stalin re-opened churches in Soviet Russia to enable the people’s religion and patriotism, not their Communism, to do most of the hard fighting necessary to crush nαzιsm for the temporary benefit of the entire world. 

A famous Russian novelist, Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1821–1881), puts into the mouth of a character in his novel entitled “The Demons” or “The Possessed” (1871) an astonishing vision of the future madness and conversion of “beloved Russia.” The character is an old and silly liberal, but as delirium and death close in on him, he has moments of sheer insight into the future – he sees Russia being filled with devils (like the man in the Gospel (Mk.V, 1–20) possessed by a legion of devils, and then being freed of them all and sitting quietly at the feet of Our Lord. Was not Dostoevsky foreseeing Russia possessed by the madness of Communism and then finally freed by tomorrow’s Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? _ –  

A great number of ideas keep coming into my mind now. You see, that’s exactly like our Russia, those devils that come out of the sick man and enter into the swine. They are all the sores, all the foul contagions, all the impurities, all the devils great and small that have multiplied in that great invalid, our beloved Russia, in the course of ages and ages [ . . . ] But a great idea and a great Will will encompass it from on high, as with that lunatic possessed of devils . . . and all those devils will come forth, all the impurity, all the rottenness that was putrefying on the surface . . . and they will beg of themselves to enter into swine; and indeed maybe they have entered into them already! They are we, we and those . . . young revolutionaries . . . and I perhaps at the head of them, and we shall cast ourselves down, possessed and raving, from the rocks into the sea, and we shall all be drowned—and a good thing too, for that is all we are fit for. But the sick man will be healed and ‘will sit at the feet of Jesus,’ and all will look upon him with astonishment . . . . but now it excites me very much . . . . (“Demons,” Pt. III, Ch.7.2) 

Kyrie eleison 
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 08:36:18 AM
"A famous Russian adviser of President Putin, Alexander Dugin, speaks clearly of the war in Ukraine as though Russia is fighting to stop the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr from dechristianising mankind. Putin himself has often been defending what are natural and Christian values against the immoral perversions of the rotten West, thereby cutting the figure of a real statesman amidst the puppets who posture today as leaders of the Western nations." 


I'm afraid people do not know enough about this wicked man Dugin.  He is definitely not somebody who is concerned about the dechristianising of mankind.


Here is Dugin celebrating the memory of satanist Aleister Crowley.


11:19: Eduard Limonov, co-founder NAZBOL party with Dugin, refers 'Lucifer, Satan'



15:05: Spinning crucifixes



(Humans on crucifixes spinning on stage)

22:30: Dugin praising satan, from texts of Crowley



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26mgR3wQx0


Who is Crowley?


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He performed sex magic and raped people to death.  He was known as the most wicked man to walk the face of the earth and "the beast".




Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 08:52:28 AM

Putin's Christianity is Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Communism!  

See this thread:

https://www.cathinfo.com/world-war-iii-chapter-2/holy-mother-russia/msg871126/?topicseen#msg871126



Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Meg on February 12, 2023, 09:16:21 AM
It has happened before in history that Russia acted to save Europe from the demons of liberalism. By 1812 Napoleon had set up the French Revolution in many countries of Europe, and in that year he put together a huge army of 600,000 men to invade Russia and bring it also within his ambition for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, yet to be born. The Russian winter is usually credited with Napoleon’s defeat, but it was Russians who by their patriotism and courage at the battle of Borodino inflicted a body blow on the invading army. In 1814 Tsar Alexander I was in Paris with his soldiers to make peace with France and to put together the “Holy Alliance” to help Europe to keep the Revolution at bay. Even in 1941 Stalin re-opened churches in Soviet Russia to enable the people’s religion and patriotism, not their Communism, to do most of the hard fighting necessary to crush nαzιsm for the temporary benefit of the entire world.

I get the impression that +W is trying to emphasize how Russia's patriotism (and to a lesser extent perhaps, religion) has caused them to help both Europe and Russia. Even communism did not destroy their love of their country. I think that we have patriots here too, but it seems more ingrained in Russian culture than here, for some reason. 
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 09:21:20 AM
Russian Satanist mystic Aleksandr Dugin, who recently shared a
platform with Archbishop Vigano, on his plans to "decompose Catholicism from within," push Catholics "in a more heterodox and even esoteric direction," and start a cινιℓ ωαr:


- In short, from your point of view, any anti-Catholic activities in Poland are beneficial?

- Exactly. It is necessary to dismantle Catholicism from the inside, strengthen Polish Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, support destructive secular movements, and promote heterodox and anti-papal Christianity. Catholicism cannot be absorbed into our tradition unless it is deeply reoriented in a nationalistic and anti-papal direction. If a lodge like the Irish Golden Dawn operated in Poland, whose leaders, e.g. William Butler Yeats or Maud Gonne, were Catholics on the one hand, and fanatical occultists inspired by Celtic culture on the other, then one might have some hope. Such people could dismantle Catholicism from within and reorient it in a more heterodox and even esoteric direction. My friends in Poland tell me that there are such groups in your country that are related to telemism or the achievements of Alistair Crowley.



https://www.fronda.pl/a/aleksander-dugin-czekam-na-iwana-groznego,45653.html
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 09:31:41 AM

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Aleksandr Dugin: “The kabbalah tradition is the greatest achievement of the human spirit.”

Leon Wieseltier: “My friend, I’ve studied the kabbalah my whole life in the Hebrew language”

Aleksandr Dugin: “As well as myself”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kA5a8naNhC8&feature=emb_logo (https://t.co/ovR30j3sci)




Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 10:12:22 AM

September 2, 2022

Dugin’s Black Mass
Andrey Loshak

Dugin is obsessed with the idea of bringing the world to a purgatory apocalypse, after which the Great Eurasian Empire of the End will be born. And he has quite consistently pursued this goal.


https://www.e-flux.com/notes/487550/dugin-s-black-mass


Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Ladislaus on February 12, 2023, 11:04:37 AM
What part of Putin has nothing to do with Dugin didn't you understand from the articles I posted?
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 11:40:59 AM
What part of Putin has nothing to do with Dugin didn't you understand from the articles I posted?
There are just as many articles describing Dugin as "Putin's Brain"
and "Putin's Rasputin" as those that dispute it.

Bishop Williamson must have gotten the idea from somewhere right?

And why the concern over his connection to Putin?  What's to be ashamed of?

After all, AB Vigano met with the diabolical Anti-Catholic creep to plan the future of humanity so what's the problem?

RFK Jr ("climate deniers deserve 3 hots and a cot") joined them.

Dugin and AB Vigano share common political views.  Both believe in a Third Rome (blasphemy--How many Churches did Jesus establish?).  They both say that Moscow is the Katechon (blasphemy--only the Catholic Faith is the One True Faith). 

What happened to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?  Was Jesus a liar?  Did the Gates of Hell prevail?

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Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
Mossad Rabbi says "CHABAD OWNS RUSSIA. PUTIN is a CHABADNIK. Putin is a Chabadnik and there are reasons why."

10min 39sec to 59sec  "Putin is a Chabadnik"

https://www.torahcafe.com/rabbi-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff/my-life-as-a-mossad-agent-in-russia-video_1aef4dc32.html (https://www.torahcafe.com/rabbi-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff/my-life-as-a-mossad-agent-in-russia-video_1aef4dc32.html)


My Life as a Mossad Agent in Russia
Rabbi Aaron Rakeffet-Rothkoff (https://www.torahcafe.com/scholar/rabbi-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff_0000001127.html)
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Meg on February 12, 2023, 03:12:52 PM
There are just as many articles describing Dugin as "Putin's Brain"
and "Putin's Rasputin" as those that dispute it.

Bishop Williamson must have gotten the idea from somewhere right?

And why the concern over his connection to Putin?  What's to be ashamed of?

After all, AB Vigano met with the diabolical Anti-Catholic creep to plan the future of humanity so what's the problem?

RFK Jr ("climate deniers deserve 3 hots and a cot") joined them.

Dugin and AB Vigano share common political views.  Both believe in a Third Rome (blasphemy--How many Churches did Jesus establish?).  They both say that Moscow is the Katechon (blasphemy--only the Catholic Faith is the One True Faith). 

What happened to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?  Was Jesus a liar?  Did the Gates of Hell prevail?

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That doesn't mean that your articles are correct. The articles that you post are just someone's opinion. 
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 12, 2023, 08:12:08 PM
That doesn't mean that your articles are correct. The articles that you post are just someone's opinion.
Bishop Williamson shares that opinion.  Did you and Lad read his words:

"A famous Russian adviser of President Putin, Alexander Dugin"

The articles that I have posted are not just opinion, but include actual interviews with Dugin himself

as well as video proof of his demonic Anti-Catholic beliefs.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on February 13, 2023, 08:17:36 AM
If only you all knew how easily swayed +Williamson is by apocalyptic murmuring......I would take this "Russia is converting" with a HUGE grain of salt.  When Russia actually does convert Catholics will know without a doubt because the consecration will have been done first.  Then Russia will become Catholic.  It will be plainly witnessed.

No disrespect to the Bishop as he is a very good man and wants souls to be saved. 
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Ladislaus on February 13, 2023, 08:44:40 AM
There are just as many articles describing Dugin as "Putin's Brain"
and "Putin's Rasputin" as those that dispute it.

Uhm, no.  It's just a phrase they throw out there, but there's zero actual evidence of it ... often by those who are hostile to Putin, kindof like yourself.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Ladislaus on February 13, 2023, 08:46:01 AM
Bishop Williamson shares that opinion.  Did you and Lad read his words:

"A famous Russian adviser of President Putin, Alexander Dugin"

The articles that I have posted are not just opinion, but include actual interviews with Dugin himself

+Williamson is misinformed on the matter.  And the "articles" you post are sheer trash, which you nevertheless post as fact.  There's no evidence, no pictures of Putin and Dugin together, no statements from the Kremlin endorsing Dugin, no evidence that they had any kind of relationship.

Someone needs to ban you for your own good.  You need to get off the internet.  You've promoted one crackpot theory after another, and are having the effect of discrediting a lot of the causes you think you're serving.

Another thing your poisoned mind is incapable of grasping is that with human beings you're rarely dealing with straight black and white.  Nobody is saying that Putin should be canonized, that he's some kind of saint, etc.

This is the same feeble-mindedness that the propagandists use on all manner of issues, from demonizing Adolf Hitler so that if you say anything good about the man, it means you're "for the h0Ɩ0cαųst", or if you say anything bad about any Black person, this means you're a "racist".  This lack of any critical thinking skills that you put on display here is precisely what the propagandists take advantage of the mold the public.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: dxcat40 on February 13, 2023, 10:27:57 AM
Someone needs to ban you for your own good.  You need to get off the internet.  You've promoted one crackpot theory after another, and are having the effect of discrediting a lot of the causes you think you're serving.
:laugh1:

A great quotation to use in response to practically anything Loudestmouth posts on this forum.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Incredulous on February 13, 2023, 11:17:23 AM
Bishop Williamson shares that opinion.  Did you and Lad read his words:

"A famous Russian adviser of President Putin, Alexander Dugin"

The articles that I have posted are not just opinion, but include actual interviews with Dugin himself

as well as video proof of his demonic Anti-Catholic beliefs.

Okay, okay… Dugin has some “problems”. :facepalm: 

But what is surprising is+W’s continued references to Churchill.  As if in the view of Catholic revisionist history, he’s a reputable figure?

Winston was a jew and crypto-communist. And his atrocities were many.  The Dresden fire-bombing was just one example. I think Wise docuмented this in his films of recent years.

So what do we have here?
You can call it a big disconnect.

The Novus ordo & neo-trads might believe Putin’s is in pre-Catholic conversion mode and the good guy, but there are solid arguments to the contrary.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 13, 2023, 08:55:29 PM
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I get the impression that +W is trying to emphasize how Russia's patriotism (and to a lesser extent perhaps, religion) has caused them to help both Europe and Russia. Even communism did not destroy their love of their country. I think that we have patriots here too, but it seems more ingrained in Russian culture than here, for some reason.
Exactly.  We Americans have trouble understanding cultures that are 700+ years old because our country is so young, and is a melting pot of many cultures/ideas.  American does not have any unified religious culture, because we've never been a strictly catholic country.  At best, we are a pro-natural law, God-fearing nation. 

But Europe and Russia's cultural history is so intertwined with Catholicism that they cannot be separated.  To kill Catholicism, you must wipe Europe/Russia off the face of the earth, which is what the globalists have tried to do.  They've tried multiple world wars, fascism, socialism, communism, mass immigration, etc, etc.  But God won't allow it.

So that leaves only one conclusion...Europe/Russia will survive and so will Catholicism in those countries.  The Russians have already reached "rock bottom" (similarly to Poland/Hungary), which is why these countries are seeing an increase in pro-family, pro-country, nationalist attitudes.  And anything pro-Poland, or pro-Hungary, or pro-Russia will (eventually) lead to pro-Catholicism, because in re-building the culture, you will necessarily re-build the foundation, which is the Faith.

Europe, as many prophecies say, won't hit "rock bottom" until cινιℓ ωαrs break out and many people die.  Just like during the French Revolution, it will take blood in the streets to get europeans to hit their knees and convert.  But when they do repent, it will be powerful.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 13, 2023, 10:27:27 PM
Well, if many "prophecies" say it, it must be true I guess?

Is that what the Catholic Church teaches?

Does the Catholic Church teach that we should look to the rebuilder of the Third Temple as our "Savior"?

No.

The rebuilder of the Third Temple is the Moshiach.  The Antichrist.


Don't click here.  Really, don't click.  You might be disappointed

to find out that Putin and Trump are slated to rebuild the Third Temple...

https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/trump-and-putin-slated-to-build-third-temple/


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Dec 26, 2022 (https://twitter.com/2022moshiachnow/status/1607612139027501056)



Putin's first public act after Yeltsin appointed him (and Bill Clinton signed off on) as his successor was to power up and unlock the uber mensch level at the Chabad ѕуηαgσgυє (notice Netanyahu too) in Moscow. Tikkun Olam Russia! How based! Way to defend Christianity!

Don't click here to see short video:


https://twitter.com/2022moshiachnow/status/1607612139027501056
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Donachie on February 14, 2023, 12:04:24 AM
Putin himself has often been defending what are natural and Christian values against the immoral perversions of the rotten West, thereby cutting the figure of a real statesman amidst the puppets who posture today as leaders of the Western nations.


Kyrie eleison
Putin's been dictator ever since Yeltsin. That's a long time. He's killed a lot of people for politcal reasons by now. He was a Major in the East German Stasi and his passport and other resources have identified him as a Jew, a "crypto-Jew", and not so crypto if one looks into it. Chabad Lubavitch recognizes his aliyah privileges since they reckon he's a Jew, however crypto or not. He's all on board with the h0Ɩ0cαųst doctrine that puts people in jail for denying it, and that brand of social law enforcement. Besides being upset about anti-Semtism, he's against white men in America for fighting Indians and the Ukrainians for being "nαzι's". He's opposed to their "racism" and has complained about that enough like a communist school master. He mourned the passing away of the Soviet Union and wants to bring it back. After being neo-Soviet dictator for so long, he's one of the richest men in the world. He approved two robot doll brothels, one in St. Petersburg and the other in Moscow. He associates with the Wagner group that is known for atrocities, including at least two sledgehammer skull-crushing basement snuff videos they've put on the internet. The Russian army under his Supreme neo-Soviet dictator command has committed a host of war crimes in the Ukraine including dropping phosphorous bombs -- just a nasty thing to do. 

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He looks like a Stasi goon to me.

https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=152837 Putin's Passport Proves He's a member of the Tribe

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Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 14, 2023, 08:18:46 AM

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Well, if many "prophecies" say it, it must be true I guess?
Ok, so you don't believe in Fatima.  Duly noted.


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Is that what the Catholic Church teaches?
Our Lady said she would convert Russia.  The Church approved Fatima.  It's not a teaching but an approval of the message.


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Does the Catholic Church teach that we should look to the rebuilder of the Third Temple as our "Savior"?
Our Lady can convert whomever She wishes, whenever She wishes, for whatever reason.  Or, She can completely ignore Putin and convert all of Russia and have Putin overthrown.  Whatever these globalists want to do, means nothing.  She is more powerful than all the devils in hell.  Russia will convert when She decides, and Putin will either convert with them or be brushed aside like a leaf in the wind.


You give too much power to these evil men, that's your problem.  That's why you're obsessed over what they're doing.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 14, 2023, 08:43:05 AM
Ok, so you don't believe in Fatima.  Duly noted.

Our Lady said she would convert Russia.  The Church approved Fatima.  It's not a teaching but an approval of the message.

Our Lady can convert whomever She wishes, whenever She wishes, for whatever reason.  Or, She can completely ignore Putin and convert all of Russia and have Putin overthrown.  Whatever these globalists want to do, means nothing.  She is more powerful than all the devils in hell.  Russia will convert when She decides, and Putin will either convert with them or be brushed aside like a leaf in the wind.


You give too much power to these evil men, that's your problem.  That's why you're obsessed over what they're doing.
Many people can't even see that these men are evil in the first place.

The problem is thinking we can interpret Fatima and our interpretation is gospel and anyone who disagrees is a faithless anathema.

St John of the Cross and Cardinal Ottaviani warned against this kind of thinking. 

I've known Traditional priests (Sede and FSSP)  who interpret the Fatima message to already have been fulfilled.

Their belief is similar to this:

"Pope Pius XII consecrated specifically Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on July 7, 1952, fulfilling Our Lady’s promise. She never promised he would do it with all the bishops but that he would do it none-the-less. (10)

Consequently, Russia converted out of its Communist ways ending the persecution on her Christians and there was a certain period of peace. The nations that were annihilated into the Soviet Union have regained their sovereignty. (11)"


https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/the-hidden-message-of-fatima/


Is their interpretation correct?  I don't know. 

Will God allow the evil one to deceive the elect with signs and wonders? 

Yes.  That I do know.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 14, 2023, 08:49:37 AM

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Will God allow the evil one to deceive the elect with signs and wonders? 
No, He will not.  That's why Scripture says the "days will be shortened"...to protect the elect.


God will allow the NON-elect to be deceived, because the NON-elect did not have recourse to Him, through prayer.

Again, you give too much power to antichrist and his agents.  You need to mediate on God's power and omnipotence.  Then you'd stop worrying and being fearful of insignificant, powerless, evil men.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Meg on February 14, 2023, 08:53:44 AM
Many people can't even see that these men are evil in the first place.

Does Sacred Scripture and Tradition say that our main duty as a Catholic is to continually fear evil men? Or that we must unmask evil men? Or that they are more powerful than God?
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 14, 2023, 09:42:56 AM
Does Sacred Scripture and Tradition say that our main duty as a Catholic is to continually fear evil men? Or that we must unmask evil men? Or that they are more powerful than God?

I have no fear of men.  I only fear my sins.

And yes, it is our duty to unmask evil men!


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When we think it's impossible to deceive us, we are at the greatest risk of being deceived. 

Pride goeth before the fall.




Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on February 14, 2023, 09:53:47 AM
And yes, it is our duty to unmask evil men!
I agree with all the information you have posted on this topic.  But I have a question for you...why are you preaching to the choir?  Everyone who reads this site agrees with you that Putin is a bad guy and not to be trusted so I'm confused as to what your goal is with these posts.  I ask in friendship.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 14, 2023, 10:00:50 AM
No, He will not.  That's why Scripture says the "days will be shortened"...to protect the elect.


God will allow the NON-elect to be deceived, because the NON-elect did not have recourse to Him, through prayer.

Again, you give too much power to antichrist and his agents.  You need to mediate on God's power and omnipotence.  Then you'd stop worrying and being fearful of insignificant, powerless, evil men.
"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect."


Our Lord Jesus warned us to be on guard.

He warned there will be false Christs, false prophets and we have already seen many false Marys.

Forty million pilgrims for 40 years have been deceived by Medjurgoje. They pray three rosaries a day and fast on bread and water on Wednesdays and Fridays.  Yet, they are deceived.


You are very confident that your interpretation of Fatima is correct and you know what the future holds.

Be careful.  Pride goeth before the fall.

St John of the Cross warns:
"Although sayings and revelations may be of God, we cannot always be sure of their meaning; for we can very easily be greatly deceived by them because of our manner of understanding them. "

"FOR two reasons we have said that, although visions and locutions which come from God are true, and in themselves are always certain, they are not always so with respect to ourselves. One reason is the defective way in which we understand them; and the other, the variety of their causes. In the first place, it is clear that they are not always as they seem, nor do they turn out as they appear to our manner of thinking. The reason for this is that, since God is vast and boundless, He is wont, in His prophecies, locutions and revelations, to employ ways, concepts and methods of seeing things which differ greatly from such purpose and method as can normally be understood by ourselves; and these are the truer and the more certain the less they seem so to us. This we constantly see in the Scriptures. To many of the ancients many prophecies and locutions of God came not to pass as they expected, because they understood them after their own manner, in the wrong way, and quite literally. This will be clearly seen in these passages."

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/privaterevelation/visions.htm

There is more than one way to interpret Fatima.



Here is more to consider from this thread:

https://twitter.com/FitzInfo/status/1624652930539302913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AFitzInfo%7Ctwcon%5Es1

"Roman Catholic (the majority of Christendom), Eastern Orthodox, & many Protestant denominations  teach #3 & #4 or a combination of the two. Chart #1 & #2 are reserved for a minority of mainly Protestant denominations. To the point, we await the last judgment, preceded by calamity

(https://i.imgur.com/OBhTD5y.png)

The Fatima (private revelation) "prophetic" timeline seems more consistent with #1. Therefore, it appears to be premillennialist, if anything. If correct, this would make the Fatima timeline inconsistent with Roman Catholic amillennialist teaching.

(https://i.imgur.com/hN3ac41.png)

I may be reaching here, but if you substitute the New Pope/Great Monarch in the Fatima timeline with an anti-Christ, the Church would be set up for a massive deception (likely preceded by a false liberation)."
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Meg on February 14, 2023, 10:09:38 AM
I have no fear of men.  I only fear my sins.

And yes, it is our duty to unmask evil men!


(https://i.imgur.com/oKnCH8e.png)



When we think it's impossible to deceive us, we are at the greatest risk of being deceived. 

Pride goeth before the fall.






You conveniently left out the part where I asked if it's our MAIN duty as Catholics to unmask evil men. Do you think it's our MAIN duty?
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 14, 2023, 10:10:47 AM
I agree with all the information you have posted on this topic.  But I have a question for you...why are you preaching to the choir?  Everyone who reads this site agrees with you that Putin is a bad guy and not to be trusted so I'm confused as to what your goal is with these posts.  I ask in friendship.

Well, I've actually seen a lot of Putin worship over the past year with people believing he is a true Christian plus a false narrative that the Russian Orthodox Church is our only hope and failure to see the heresies and red flags of Archbishop Vigano.

Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 14, 2023, 10:16:16 AM
You conveniently left out the part where I asked if it's our MAIN duty as Catholics to unmask evil men. Do you think it's our main duty?


Of course it is not our main duty at all times.  

Yet these are not normal times, Meg.

Turn on the news and see for yourself.

This a time of great deception.

So yes, whether it be regarding COVID, aliens, false prophecies...

it is our duty to unmask the deceptions and deceivers.

Praying for you, Meg!  Please pray for me. :)
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Meg on February 14, 2023, 10:19:12 AM

Of course it is not our main duty at all times. 

Yet these are not normal times, Meg.

Turn on the news and see for yourself.

This a time of great deception.

So yes, whether it be regarding COVID, aliens, false prophecies...

it is our duty to unmask the deceptions and deceivers.

Praying for you, Meg!  Please pray for me. :)

If it's not our main duty, then why do you spend so much time here continually correcting forum members and spamming threads with your exposes on so-called evil men? Why the obsession? Maybe you have serious anxiety or ocd problems?
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 14, 2023, 10:47:06 AM

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Forty million pilgrims for 40 years have been deceived by Medjurgoje. They pray three rosaries a day and fast on bread and water on Wednesdays and Fridays.  Yet, they are deceived.

You are very confident that your interpretation of Fatima is correct and you know what the future holds.
:facepalm:  Comparing Medjurgoje and Fatima is like comparing water to wine.  Or the new mass to the True Mass.  You can't compare this stuff, which is why your posts make no sense.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 14, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
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why are you preaching to the choir?
Yes, please answer this important question.  We are all catholics, not protestants.  You should be trying to help them; they have no idea about any of this.  We already do.


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it is our duty to unmask the deceptions and deceivers.
No one has time to read and re-read all the links you post and re-post.  So you are failing at your "duty" because too much info is the same as no info.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: NIFH on February 14, 2023, 11:48:44 AM
The Great Monarch and New Pope are not from the message of Fatima.

Pius XII's consecration of Russia was not in accordance with Heaven's commands.  Our Lady specifically ordered that the bishops must participate.  A relaxing of persecution is NOT conversion.  The world has NOT been given a period of peace.

Fatima is NOT a private revelation.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/respectful-correction/
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Marius on February 14, 2023, 11:55:53 AM
Fatima is NOT a private revelation.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/respectful-correction/
Yes it is. Or did Public Revelation end at the death of St. John then begin again in 1917?
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: NIFH on February 14, 2023, 05:25:07 PM
Read the linked page.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Marius on February 15, 2023, 02:10:45 PM
Read the linked page.
Your erroneous views were corrected in that very thread - perhaps you should read it.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: NIFH on February 15, 2023, 08:20:52 PM
Have you a specific objection for me to respond to?  I am ready to answer.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: josefamenendez on February 15, 2023, 08:29:17 PM
Yes it is. Or did Public Revelation end at the death of St. John then begin again in 1917?
Well, it may not be the Church's definition of "public" ( or then again maybe it is) but the Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by 70,000 people and seen hundreds of miles away in nearby countries and reported in newspapers throughout the world. This was a public supernatural event. Somehow I think this takes it out of the personal sphere.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Incredulous on February 16, 2023, 01:37:11 PM
Okay, okay… Dugin has some “problems”. :facepalm:

But what is surprising is+W’s continued references to Churchill.  As if in the view of Catholic revisionist history, he’s a reputable figure?

Winston was a Jєω and crypto-communist. And his atrocities were many.  The Dresden fire-bombing was just one example. I think Wise docuмented this in his films of recent years.

So what do we have here?
You can call it a big disconnect.

The Novus ordo & neo-trads might believe Putin’s is in pre-Catholic conversion mode and the good guy, but there are solid arguments to the contrary.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.anxsBTxr1F0ThV3mbNVZowAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=5be8e0a874928ce87c106878a11a4111fb84074a67639f63caf2a1dbac44c777&ipo=images)
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on February 16, 2023, 01:51:06 PM
The English elites have been friends of Zog for quite a while.
Title: Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #812 - RUSSIA CONVERTING ?
Post by: Incredulous on February 16, 2023, 07:36:40 PM
The English elites have been friends of Zog for quite a while.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fuploads.disquscdn.com%2Fimages%2F17f7b6bb149faeefd03369e4e6bf666d263ec85ddbed8b096c1ca6aced9e28da.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=20b85a1c2f3f7f41ef400cf4792d763ce37ec589bc50d5068c1949037d895fa0&ipo=images)