Author Topic: Eleison Comments - 79 Seminarians III (no. 800) (Read 1782 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 12, 2022, 10:25:00 PM »

DCCC #800

November 12, 2022

79 SEMINARIANS – III
Have patience, many lies will soon be banished.
God’s wrath will see to it, that they have vanished.
Over the last two weeks these “Comments” have presented the apparent good news of a record number of new seminarians for the new school-year in the four major seminaries of the “Society of St Pius X,” but the “Comments” also wondered whether that good news is as real as it is apparent. For, just as Vatican II (1962–1965) officially replaced the true Catholic Church with the Conciliar Newchurch, centred on man instead of on God, so the Society’s General Chapter of 2012 officially replaced Archbishop Lefebvre’s true Society with an essentially different Newsociety. What remains to be proved is that what happened to the Society in 2012 was such a change as to cast some doubt upon the good news of 79 new priestly vocations.
Now praise be to God for so many young men still today having enough faith, courage and good will to be wanting to be traditional priests, and praise be to the Newsociety for maintaining enough of Catholic Tradition to attract these young men. However, in seminaries of the Newsociety under the control of the Archbishop’s successors, will they be learning what they would have learned while the Archbishop was still in control? Surely not. And does it matter? Surely it does. And in what does the difference consist?
Prior to 2012, a principle laid down by the Archbishop was still the Society’s official policy towards Rome, namely, there can be no merely practical agreement between the SSPX and the Newchurch without there first being a doctrinal agreement, in other words Truth before Authority. On the contrary, because in 2012 any such doctrinal agreement seemed impossible, the General Chapter of that year laid down as principle that even without a doctrinal agreement, nevertheless a practical agreement with Rome would be possible and desirable, in other words friendliness with Authority even without Truth. Now in fairness to the Newsociety, this did not mean accepting either Vatican II (the theory of modernism) or the New Mass (its practice), so that the Newsociety cannot be accused of completely abandoning the Truth. But whereas the Archbishop had after 1988 cut all practical contact with the faithless modernists, on the contrary almost as soon as he died in 1991, his successors renewed those dangerous but supposedly harmless contacts (is there in fact anything more slippery or infectious than the heresy of modernism?).
And whereas Archbishop Lefebvre crowned his long and illustrious career as a Catholic bishop by saving Catholic Tradition (Truth) for the entire Church, by consecrating four bishops to ensure the Society’s survival in 1988 against (Authority) the Pope’s express condemnation; and whereas Archbishop Vigano continues in his glorious footsteps by (Truth) denouncing clearly and in public the unutterable crimes of our present (Authority) Church and world leaders; on the contrary, the official Newsociety is silent or critical of Archbishop Vigano (Truth), but defers to apparent Authority, in the world concerning, for instance, the abominable Covid “vaccine,” and in the Church concerning Pope Bergoglio, because the Newsociety wants this notorious murderer of Catholic Tradition to give his official approval to its consecration of bishops for Tradition! Did not Fr Schmidberger (SSPX Superior General from 1982 to 1994) recently tell a layman asking about bishops so needed for the SSPX that it is not consecrating any, because it is waiting for the green light from Pope Bergoglio? And has the Newsociety anybody but itself to blame for having in 2012 driven the SSPX up this blind alley! But is it aiming to produce 79 blind alley priests?
Patience. In worldly terms, the basic problem is that Archbishop Lefebvre was an old wolf whereas his successors have been, relatively speaking, wolf cubs. He knew the old Faith and the old Church, as it is difficult for youngsters to know them, and he took the old doctrine seriously, knowing that Catholic Truth redeems the world. God is love, yes, but without Truth He cannot be the true God. “For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth, hears my voice” (Jn. XVIII, 37).
Seminarians, old or new, let us hear His voice!
Kyrie eleison

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2022, 10:29:51 PM »

If anything, +W is too soft on the neo-SSPX in this particular letter (the first 2 paragraphs).

There is a lot more they've sold out on. +Fellay for example DID take the red letter step, taken by all compromisers, when he said that Vatican II was mostly good. How did he put it? That Vatican II was 95% Catholic?
THAT IS A HUGE RED FLAG, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. In my opinion, you can't be critical enough about Vatican II, the robber council that practically destroyed the Catholic Church. All other disasters in Church history (Arian heresy, Great Schism, Protestant revolt, etc.) bow their head and give place before the devil's masterpiece, Vatican II.

You aren't giving the devil his due when you focus on the 99% lemonade in a drink which is also 1% cyanide. No, an intelligent and wise person would focus COMPLETELY on the cyanide, the poison, the potential for death and destruction. And yes, they would ignore the inert components, the neutral/good elements, which are only there TO MASK AND MAKE ACCEPTABLE THAT 1% POISON. If someone asked me, "What about the good lemonade? 99% of that glass is good lemonade." I would have to respond with, "Are you a complete flaming moron?"

Minnesota · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2022, 03:25:03 AM »

Agree. You cannot be too soft on Rome and Vatican II, and they are. And this is coming from someone who has happily gone to them for the Sacraments for many years.

Deipara · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2022, 06:41:59 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on November 12, 2022, 10:25:00 PM

DCCC #800
November 12, 2022
79 SEMINARIANS – III

... In worldly terms, the basic problem is that Archbishop Lefebvre was an old wolf whereas his successors have been, relatively speaking, wolf cubs. He knew the old Faith and the old Church, as it is difficult for youngsters to know them, and he took the old doctrine seriously, knowing that Catholic Truth redeems the world. God is love, yes, but without Truth He cannot be the true God. “For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth, hears my voice” (Jn. XVIII, 37).
Seminarians, old or new, let us hear His voice!
Kyrie eleison

HE is giving the SSPX hierarchy a free pass here. +Fellay et al. are all very, very well versed in Tradition. They cannot claim ignorance. And +Fellay for example is 64(?). The Archbishop was around 65 when he started the SSPX in 1970. Not exactly youngsters.

2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2022, 07:35:17 AM »

For, just as Vatican II (1962–1965) officially replaced the true Catholic Church with the Conciliar Newchurch, centred on man instead of on God, so the Society’s General Chapter of 2012 officially replaced Archbishop Lefebvre’s true Society with an essentially different Newsociety.

Interesting. Officially replaced.

He compares what happened at Vatican II to what happened with ABL's Society. His words sound to me like he sees the hierarchy of the Conciliar Church as a completely different hierarchy than that of the Catholic Church, not a shared hierarchy. Similarly, it sounds like he sees the current hierarchy of the SSPX to be a completely different and separate hierarchy than that which was in charge when ABL was alive [or at least up until 2012?].

I suspect that Bishop Williamson would say that ABL's true society remains in the Resistance. Would that be a fair assessment? If so, I wonder where he thinks the true Catholic Church remains given he states that it was "officially replaced".

de Lugo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2022, 09:59:16 AM »

"Did not Fr Schmidberger (SSPX Superior General from 1982 to 1994) recently tell a layman asking about bishops so needed for the SSPX that it is not consecrating any, because it is waiting for the green light from Pope Bergoglio? And has the Newsociety anybody but itself to blame for having in 2012 driven the SSPX up this blind alley! But is it aiming to produce 79 blind alley priests?"

Operation ѕυιcιdє.

Without bishops, they might as well attend Fr. Hewko's future perpetual seminary.

Perhaps one day, they'll come knocking on Bishop Zendejas's door, having no other options, but more likely, they'd go on a 5-year marketing campaign justifying the new rite of episcopal consecration, in order to later use the services of Bishop (?) Huondor.

Or, as they whither on the vine, and the bishops die off, they'll just come to the conclusion that, since heretical Rome never gave the green light to perpetuate Tradition (DUH!), it must mean that Lefebvre was schismatic after all, and rush into full-blown heretical modernist conciliarism.

All bitterness aside, what will probably actually happen, is Menzingen will present a liberal enough candidate for Rome to approve, and it will be used to point the finger at the resistance and sedevacantists: "See, we told you Rome had changed!"

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2022, 01:10:50 PM »

Quote from: de Lugo on November 13, 2022, 09:59:16 AM

"Did not Fr Schmidberger (SSPX Superior General from 1982 to 1994) recently tell a layman asking about bishops so needed for the SSPX that it is not consecrating any, because it is waiting for the green light from Pope Bergoglio? And has the Newsociety anybody but itself to blame for having in 2012 driven the SSPX up this blind alley! But is it aiming to produce 79 blind alley priests?"

Operation ѕυιcιdє.

Without bishops, they might as well attend Fr. Hewko's future perpetual seminary.

Perhaps one day, they'll come knocking on Bishop Zendejas's door, having no other options, but more likely, they'd go on a 5-year marketing campaign justifying the new rite of episcopal consecration, in order to later use the services of Bishop (?) Huondor.

Or, as they whither on the vine, and the bishops die off, they'll just come to the conclusion that, since heretical Rome never gave the green light to perpetuate Tradition (DUH!), it must mean that Lefebvre was schismatic after all, and rush into full-blown heretical modernist conciliarism.

All bitterness aside, what will probably actually happen, is Menzingen will present a liberal enough candidate for Rome to approve, and it will be used to point the finger at the resistance and sedevacantists: "See, we told you Rome had changed!"

Even if that were to happen, the candidate will still be required to be consecrated using the New Rite. One thing both the sedes and the Resistance have are bishops consecrated in the Old Rite.

Incredulous · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2022, 03:15:21 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on November 12, 2022, 10:25:00 PM

DCCC #800
November 12, 2022
79 SEMINARIANS – III

"And whereas Archbishop Lefebvre crowned his long and illustrious career as a Catholic bishop by saving Catholic Tradition (Truth) for the entire Church, by consecrating four bishops to ensure the Society’s survival in 1988 against (Authority) the Pope’s express condemnation; and whereas Archbishop Vigano continues in his glorious footsteps by (Truth) denouncing clearly and in public the unutterable crimes of our present (Authority) Church and world leaders; on the contrary, the official Newsociety is silent or critical of Archbishop Vigano (Truth), but defers to apparent Authority, in the world concerning, for instance, the abominable Covid “vaccine,”..."

Wait! Hold it right there.

If Bishop Williamson believes Archbishop Vigano is following +ABL's glorious footsteps.... then he has to say the word "Jєω."

On my first try, I pulled up an +ABL sermon video, where the SSPX leader is publicly laying it on the Jєωs (at 1:45).

+ABL No Compromise with the Enemies of Jesus Christ

Maybe HE can help the newly appointed successor of +ABL to find a clever way to work "Jєω" into his pastoral letters?

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2022, 02:32:16 AM »

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and whereas Archbishop Vigano continues in his glorious footsteps by (Truth) denouncing clearly and in public the unutterable crimes of our present (Authority) Church and world leaders; on the contrary, the official Newsociety is silent or critical of Archbishop Vigano (Truth), but defers to apparent Authority, in the world concerning, for instance, the abominable Covid “vaccine,”..."

Yes, it's true.

Vigano calls out all the world leaders involved with the vaccine

which is really nice...

except for two:

TRUMP and PUTIN

Why?

Instead he extols them as the future for a

"peaceful coexistence" of EQUAL NATIONS

(the dream of the UN).

Why?

TRUMP and PUTIN

are slated to rebuild the Third Temple in Jerusalem:

https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/trump-and-putin-slated-to-build-third-temple/msg854956/#msg854956

see more here (or don't click if you don't want to know):

https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/ss-news/msg854875/#msg854875

https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/ss-news/msg854876/#msg854876

and yet, when Vigano is not meeting with

Satanist Kabbalist "Brain of Putin" Dugin

or telling us that Putin

who believes that Christianity and Communism are the same:

Quote

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'Communist ideology is very similar to Christianity' and compared the Bolshevik leader's mausoleum in Moscow's Red Square the relics of saints.

The politician, who has enjoyed increasingly close relations with the Russian Orthodox Church, also said that the political ideology emerged naturally from teachings in the Bible.

Putin said in an interview for the docuмentary Valaam, an excerpt of which was broadcast on Russia 1: 'Maybe I'll say something that someone might dislike, but that's the way I see it. First of all, faith has always accompanied us, becoming stronger every time our country, our people, have been through hard times.

'There were those years of militant atheism when priests were eradicated, churches destroyed, but at the same time a new religion was being created.

Communist ideology is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice – everything is laid out in the Holy Scripture, it's all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it's just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, nothing new was invented.'

( Inserting here -----Just so you know:
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité
Is the motto of Freemasons

https://www.marxists.org/history/france/paris-commune/docu

See more at this article:

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/i.wont.vote.for.putin.darkness.says.russian.orthodox.bishop/124311.htm

OHHHHHHH

A NEW RELIGION????

Sounds neat Putin!!!

Vigano, did you hear that??

Putin witnessed the START of a

NEW RELIGION!!!!

It's called COMMUNISM

It has it's own relics such as those of Lenin!!

Vigano tells Trad Cats

through his letters

and through various shady Trad INC pundits

that Trump and Putin are

the Katechon

who will protect us all

from the

ANTICHRIST!!!

Wow!!!

That's neat Vigano!

So Trump who practices Kabbalah

And put Kabbalah spells on the Whitehouse:

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/662551/pdf

and the guy who says that

Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ AND COMMUNISM ARE CHRISTIAN AND BIBLICAL

(Putin)

both of whom are slated to build the

THIRD TEMPLE

will save humanity

from the ANTICHRIST???

Now, how is that gonna work, Vigano?

HOW WILL ANTICHRISTS

defend the world

from THE ANTICHRIST?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2022, 05:55:17 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on November 14, 2022, 02:32:16 AM

Yes, it's true.

Vigano calls out all the world leaders involved with the vaccine

which is really nice...

except for two:

TRUMP and PUTIN

Which world leaders has he called out by name for the vaccine? None that I can think of. He's spoken out against the jab in general.

Even your use of spacing, capitliazation / grammar, and bolding speak to the fact that you've suffered a psychological beak. I actually compressed your spacing here to make it seem a bit less deranged.

That last post of yours both looks and sounds completely insane, a perfect visual rendering of someone who should be wearing a strait-jacket, with your incoherent rambling about Vigano, Trump, Antichrist, Covid, Trump, Putin "Brain" Dugin, Trump, Kabbalah, Katechons ... looks like it literally came from an insane woman. Maybe you need to get some sleept at 3:30AM (though not sure of your timezone) instead of posting like a madwoman.

You need to take a break from the internet, go bake Christmas cookies in the kitchen, and stop this before you lose your mind. You've clearly engaged in obsessive behavior since the start of COVID, after admitting that with all your rantings and ravings you couldn't even persuade your own relatioins not to get jabbed, and you've obsessed about that subject, and a couple others only because they're related in your mind, and pretty much EVERY POST of yours turns into a jab rant. You post about absolutely nothing else, as if nothing else in the world matters.

For most of us here, the jab was SO 2021. Nobody even talks about it anymore. Governments aren't pushing it anymore. I think it was Australia that recently refused to approve more jabs for those under 30 due to myocarditis.

Trump has been office for over 2 years, and the next election cycle isn't due to spin up for another year or so.

Give it a rest, find something elsse to do, and GET OFF THE INTERNET before you lose your mind, chasing down, promoting, and reposting every borderline-insant theory from the darkest corners of the web.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2022, 06:12:18 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on November 14, 2022, 02:32:16 AM

Instead he extols them as the future for a

"peaceful coexistence" of EQUAL NATIONS

(the dream of the UN).

Why?

Uhm, no, that's the opposite of the UN, that wishes to do away with nation states. +Vigano is merely referring to the Catholic principle that nations are sovereign and "equal" in the sense that a more powerful nation does't have the right to simply gobble up the smaller ones.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2022, 06:21:02 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on November 14, 2022, 02:32:16 AM

world leaders
except for two:
TRUMP and PUTIN
"peaceful coexistence" of EQUAL NATIONS
TRUMP and PUTIN
Third Temple in Jerusalem:
Satanist Kabbalist "Brain of Putin" Dugin
... Putin
believes that Christianity and Communism are the same:
OHHHHHHH
A NEW RELIGION????
Putin!!!
Vigano
Putin NEW RELIGION!!!!
COMMUNISM
relics ... of Lenin!!
shady Trad INC pundits
the Katechon
ANTICHRIST!!!
Wow!!!
Vigano!
Trump
Kabbalah
Kabbalah spells
Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ AND COMMUNISM ARE CHRISTIAN AND BIBLICAL
(Putin)
THIRD TEMPLE
ANTICHRIST???
ANTICHRISTS
THE ANTICHRIST?

Get thyself to the kitchen and away from the internet.

ServusInutilisDomini · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2022, 07:19:26 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2022, 06:21:02 AM

Get thyself to the kitchen and away from the internet.

Yes, it is unhealthy to know so much about political matters, especially for a woman.

Someone has to do it, like Mark is doing it, but it is not conducive to a good spiritual life.

Get back in the kitchen, for your own good.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2022, 08:48:36 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2022, 05:55:17 AM

For most of us here, the jab was SO 2021. Nobody even talks about it anymore. Governments aren't pushing it anymore. I think it was Australia that recently refused to approve more jabs for those under 30 due to myocarditis.

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and whereas Archbishop Vigano continues in his glorious footsteps by (Truth) denouncing clearly and in public the unutterable crimes of our present (Authority) Church and world leaders; on the contrary, the official Newsociety is silent or critical of Archbishop Vigano (Truth), but defers to apparent Authority, in the world concerning, for instance, the abominable Covid “vaccine,”..."

The OP indicates it is something worth continuing to talk about.

Lad, as a debater, you are quite capable of addressing the evidence provided.

Resorting to ad hominems is a sign of weakness.

You're better than that.

dxcat40 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2022, 08:56:35 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on November 14, 2022, 08:48:36 AM

The OP indicates it is something worth continuing to talk about.

Lad, as a debater, you are quite capable of addressing the evidence provided.

Resorting to ad hominems is a sign of weakness.

You're better than that.

^^^ Indeed. Sad, Lad!

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2022, 05:55:17 AM

For most of us here, the jab was SO 2021. Nobody even talks about it anymore. Governments aren't pushing it anymore. I think it was Australia that recently refused to approve more jabs for those under 30 due to myocarditis.

If Lad were a GRU operative I'm not sure what he could be doing differently, though I would expect he would attempt to be less obvious.

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