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Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
« on: October 25, 2020, 08:23:37 AM »
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  • Eleison Comments DCXCIII ( 24 OCTOBER 2020 )

    "The family can live, today and tomorrow.
    With God's help, there is a way."

    Humanly speaking, the horizon is very dark around us; demonic forces are tearing the family apart because it is God's way of putting souls on the path to Heaven. For this reason, it is appropriate for readers of these "Comments" to summarize an email sent to their editor by a man living in the United States, father of a family of eight children. He is neither desperate nor afraid. He lives in the middle of the bush. Once a month he is able to attend traditional mass in a chapel near his home. His example shows that it is always possible to have reason to keep. Here is the gist of his email.

    "We survive spiritually and sacramentally in our Resistance chapel with a monthly Mass. We will continue to need it as long as we need Mass and the sacraments. I don't think that this need (or the crisis in the Church) will end any time soon. The chapel is doing well, but at the last two Masses, attendance was lower. For various reasons, many traditional Catholics seem to be giving in to the panic caused by the media.

    Our family is doing well, we have nothing to complain about. We are soon expecting our ninth child. We had another boy recently. Everyone notices how different he is from the girls. He explores everything, immerses himself in everything, is more interested in "things", machines, equipment, etc. than in people. Since we have several girls, we really notice the innate differences between boys and girls. All our children love music, because I teach them to love and feel it: melody, harmony, rhythm, and to taste the lyrics. We listen to folk music, mostly Irish, a variety of instrumental and classical music, and singing. On the other hand, any song that comes from a place of anguish, despair, depression, hatred, etc., is bad, ugly, and is to be rejected.

    I work full time from my home office for a Catholic work that seems to grow more and more Catholic every year, unlike the FSSPX, which once had the complete truth, but year after year is losing it. If the work for which I work continues to be faithful to the Truth as it has been until now, it will one day have to become fully traditional or betray it by changing course. There is no other choice. I also work manually in our gardens that we have just enlarged, having learned, a few years ago, the gardening method of the "Garden of Eden". Our soil is pure clay and very poor, but with mulch, we can imitate God's nature, allowing the soil to be enriched from the decay of organic matter. Thanks to a recently discovered source of free wood chips, I have enough to make my own mulch. All my children are helping me use this new technique to treat our fruit trees and start making flower beds. We hope to be able to produce enough food here soon. At present we have two garden beds measuring up to 1,500 square feet (Circa 140 m²).

    We are very concerned about the results of this year's elections. My feeling is that 2016 is going to be a breeze compared to 2020, when you think of all the COVID craziness, the nationwide riots because a black man overdosed on Fentanyl. Maybe the fight is just between the real bad guys (Deep State) on the one hand, and lesser bad guys, rivals on the other (Trump and his associates). Maybe Trump is simply less bad? Maybe he hasn't been involved in child sacrifice, child torture or other evil acts as others have? My hopes are limited. But I don't think Trump is on the side of the deep state. I will vote for him because of his unprecedented actions against abortion, and for freedom in general.

    Financially, we are getting by, thanks to the many blessings from Heaven. But the greatest of these blessings is to have learned, still as a teenager, the evils of usury practiced by the banks. Without this knowledge of economics, I might be blameless and sinless, but still deeply in debt and misery. My wife too has always been sober, so we have always lived within our means, renouncing luxury and working hard, so that now we are reaping the benefits. Today we are completely free of debt, even with eight children and only one modest income. I point out to my children that it took years of frugal living and hard work to get there, but now it's done.

    As for the local chapel, many souls come but, alas, do not return. However, some are now looking for a Tridentine Mass where they can continue to receive Holy Communion on their lips, even though our diocese forbids it: "Covid" obliges! So much for Tradition depending on the official Church! I often wonder why God allows so many setbacks to Tradition. Does He purify "the little remnant", seeking quality rather than quantity? We observe, among non-Catholics as well as in traditional Catholic families, that children do not "fully take their place" in the rising generation, even when the parents seem solid. The tides of the world are constantly passing over young people and wearing them down. Some are slightly weakened, others more severely, while others collapse completely. In truth, "if these days were not shortened, the chosen ones themselves could not be saved.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #1 on: October 25, 2020, 08:41:49 AM »
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  • This is someone we know, I think


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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #2 on: October 25, 2020, 11:40:14 AM »
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  • A good example to follow.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #3 on: October 25, 2020, 04:02:35 PM »
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  • It's unfortunate that hardly anyone is ever interested in commenting on Bp. Williamson's Eleison Comments.

    But with only a small handfull of forum members who support the Resistance, I guess it's not surprising.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #4 on: October 25, 2020, 04:25:05 PM »
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  • It's unfortunate that hardly anyone is ever interested in commenting on Bp. Williamson's Eleison Comments.

    But with only a small handfull of forum members who support the Resistance, I guess it's not surprising.
    Agreed:
    He’s not a sede
    And he’s not a Feeneyite 
    And he’s not a Pfeifferian 
    And he’s not an SSPXER
    He’s only Resistance.
    And that’s a rare commodity here.
    So rare, in fact, that nobody even noticed that this EC doesn’t appear on his website (nor the previous one, which was missed by the forum entirely).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #5 on: October 25, 2020, 04:25:35 PM »
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  • As for the local chapel, many souls come but, alas, do not return. However, some are now looking for a Tridentine Mass where they can continue to receive Holy Communion on their lips, even though our diocese forbids it: "Covid" obliges! So much for Tradition depending on the official Church! I often wonder why God allows so many setbacks to Tradition. Does He purify "the little remnant", seeking quality rather than quantity? We observe, among non-Catholics as well as in traditional Catholic families, that children do not "fully take their place" in the rising generation, even when the parents seem solid. The tides of the world are constantly passing over young people and wearing them down. Some are slightly weakened, others more severely, while others collapse completely. In truth, "if these days were not shortened, the chosen ones themselves could not be saved.

    Good observations. The tide of the world does indeed wear the young people down.

    There are examples of early Christians who did not allow the world to wear them down, but instead loved their Faith so much that they gave their lives for it.

    Today (Oct. 25th) is the feast day of SS. Chrysanthus and his wife Daria. The collect for today's mass for these saints is as follows:
    "We beseech thee, O Lord, may the prayers of thy blessed martyrs Chrysanthus and Daria be our stay: and may we who seek to do them devout honor, at all times feel their kindly help. Though...."

    What is it that the that these Catholics of old knew, that we don't know? They lived in a dangerous pagan society, which was far worse than ours. And yet our children today to not always keep the Faith which has been handed down to them.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #6 on: October 25, 2020, 04:26:28 PM »
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  • Agreed:
    He’s not a sede
    And he’s not a Feeneyite
    And he’s not a Pfeifferian
    And he’s not an SSPXER
    He’s only Resistance.
    And that’s a rare commodity here.
    So rare, in fact, that nobody even noticed that this EC doesn’t appear on his website (nor the previous one, which was missed by the forum entirely).

    Agreed. Well said.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2020, 04:39:03 PM »
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  • Good observations. The tide of the world does indeed wear the young people down.

    There are examples of early Christians who did not allow the world to wear them down, but instead loved their Faith so much that they gave their lives for it.

    Today (Oct. 25th) is the feast day of SS. Chrysanthus and his wife Daria. The collect for today's mass for these saints is as follows:
    "We beseech thee, O Lord, may the prayers of thy blessed martyrs Chrysanthus and Daria be our stay: and may we who seek to do them devout honor, at all times feel their kindly help. Though...."

    What is it that the that these Catholics of old knew, that we don't know? They lived in a dangerous pagan society, which was far worse than ours. And yet our children today to not always keep the Faith which has been handed down to them.
    I see one of our anonymous sede-Feeneyite mental giants is down-thumbing all your posts.
    I have roughly 1922 down-thumbs, of which 1600 come from the same giants.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #8 on: October 25, 2020, 05:14:04 PM »
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  • I see one of our anonymous sede-Feeneyite mental giants is down-thumbing all your posts.
    I have roughly 1922 down-thumbs, of which 1600 come from the same giants.

    The price one pays for going against them.
    ::)
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2020, 08:38:13 PM »
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  • I see one of our anonymous sede-Feeneyite mental giants is down-thumbing all your posts.
    I have roughly 1922 down-thumbs, of which 1600 come from the same giants.

    Sean, you're an innocent victim of the Sede-Feeneyite "deep-state".

    Those animals brutalized you.

    There's no way you, the pious tradman, deserved 1,600 thumbs down.


    :laugh2:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #10 on: October 25, 2020, 08:52:20 PM »
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  • Eleison Comments DCXCIII ( 24 OCTOBER 2020 )

    "The family can live, today and tomorrow.
    With God's help, there is a way."

    Humanly speaking, the horizon is very dark around us; demonic forces are tearing the family apart because it is God's way of putting souls on the path to Heaven. For this reason, it is appropriate for readers of these "Comments" to summarize an email sent to their editor by a man living in the United States, father of a family of eight children. He is neither desperate nor afraid. He lives in the middle of the bush. Once a month he is able to attend traditional mass in a chapel near his home. His example shows that it is always possible to have reason to keep. Here is the gist of his email.

    "We survive spiritually and sacramentally in our Resistance chapel with a monthly Mass. We will continue to need it as long as we need Mass and the sacraments. I don't think that this need (or the crisis in the Church) will end any time soon. The chapel is doing well, but at the last two Masses, attendance was lower. For various reasons, many traditional Catholics seem to be giving in to the panic caused by the media.


    This family's story hits upon many lessons taught by Bp. Williamson in his previous conferences and lectures.
    Something His Excellency does best.

    For example, HE has taught us not to seriously follow the media, which are a continual stream of sophisticated masonic lies.
    HE suggests to only scan the news, to get a general idea of what's going on.

    The COVID/Vaccine hoax-crisis, proves this is sound advice fro the preservation of Traditional Catholic resolve.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #11 on: October 25, 2020, 09:27:21 PM »
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  •  I often wonder why God allows so many setbacks to Tradition. Does He purify "the little remnant", seeking quality rather than quantity? We observe, among non-Catholics as well as in traditional Catholic families, that children do not "fully take their place" in the rising generation, even when the parents seem solid. The tides of the world are constantly passing over young people and wearing them down. Some are slightly weakened, others more severely, while others collapse completely. In truth, "if these days were not shortened, the chosen ones themselves could not be saved.
    This paragraph serves as a reflection to me, as I was not raised in the Catholic religion, but rather in the Conciliar one. Sometimes I wonder, though I accept what God has given and has allowed to happen to me, why I was not born into a family that had the Faith. God's Providence has it so that, at least as I see it, that I am put into a situation where I have to fight a seemingly uphill battle against my own parents to be able to practice the Faith. I have been unable to go to Mass and Confession for the past few months, partly due to the fact that the chapel location is somewhat far (I am not that experienced in driving) and also that my parents have bought into this COVID scam. This has put me into a position where I have to rely entirely on God's help and my own initiative to keep the Faith. 

    Though, I admit that I have been weakened to some extent in my spiritual life due to this situation, I have not fallen into despair, knowing that God is faithful to His flock. Since I was not raised traditional, and embraced the errors of the world in my past, I have been able, in retrospect, to see with compunction how truly terrible the modern condition is. It truly shocks me to hear of how some raised traditional can abandon the Faith, as coming from my point of view, it seems impossible that someone would give up such a tremendous grace. But yet again, Judas followed Christ for 3 years and still betrayed him. 

    "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." (Luke 12:34). 

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #12 on: October 27, 2020, 10:10:36 AM »
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  • Sean, you're an innocent victim of the Sede-Feeneyite "deep-state".

    Those animals brutalized you.

    There's no way you, the pious tradman, deserved 1,600 thumbs down.


    :laugh2:

    It's an exaggeration for you to claim that Sean is saying that he's been "brutalized." He is simply making an observation. One that I agree with, since I also receive many downvotes from the sedes and sedewhatevers. But that's to be expected of them.

    I think that there are both feeneyites and non-feeneyites among the sedes and sedewhatevers, however.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #13 on: October 27, 2020, 10:14:41 AM »
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  • This paragraph serves as a reflection to me, as I was not raised in the Catholic religion, but rather in the Conciliar one. Sometimes I wonder, though I accept what God has given and has allowed to happen to me, why I was not born into a family that had the Faith. God's Providence has it so that, at least as I see it, that I am put into a situation where I have to fight a seemingly uphill battle against my own parents to be able to practice the Faith. I have been unable to go to Mass and Confession for the past few months, partly due to the fact that the chapel location is somewhat far (I am not that experienced in driving) and also that my parents have bought into this COVID scam. This has put me into a position where I have to rely entirely on God's help and my own initiative to keep the Faith.

    Though, I admit that I have been weakened to some extent in my spiritual life due to this situation, I have not fallen into despair, knowing that God is faithful to His flock. Since I was not raised traditional, and embraced the errors of the world in my past, I have been able, in retrospect, to see with compunction how truly terrible the modern condition is. It truly shocks me to hear of how some raised traditional can abandon the Faith, as coming from my point of view, it seems impossible that someone would give up such a tremendous grace. But yet again, Judas followed Christ for 3 years and still betrayed him.

    "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." (Luke 12:34).

    It's good that you have not fallen into despair at this difficult time. We live in trying times.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eleison Comments #693: Wealthy Family
    « Reply #14 on: October 27, 2020, 10:48:51 AM »
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  • It's an exaggeration for you to claim that Sean is saying that he's been "brutalized." He is simply making an observation. One that I agree with, since I also receive many downvotes from the sedes and sedewhatevers. But that's to be expected of them.

    I think that there are both feeneyites and non-feeneyites among the sedes and sedewhatevers, however.

    Yes, I’m exaggerating Meg.

    But, Sean Johnson deserved every down vote he ever received.

    I don’t know about you?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi