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Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2018, 08:16:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on October 27, 2018, 09:45:00 PM
    The Society’s position is the logical position for anyone who believes the modern hierarchy is valid. 

    No, that would be the position of the FSSP.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #31 on: October 29, 2018, 08:22:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on October 27, 2018, 11:23:23 PM
    Why did Bishop Fellay say" We ,The SSPX accepts 95% of Vatican II. Does Ecuмenism, Religious Liberty and Collegiality fall within that 5% that the SSPX does not accept.

    Why is it that so few Traditional Catholics understand that THE CORE ERROR of Vatican II is the ecclesiology ... instead always hitting on the more minor peripheral issues like these?
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #32 on: October 29, 2018, 08:26:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on October 27, 2018, 10:58:35 PM
    Look man, I was at the seminary for several weeks in August. I’ve spoken to the priests on these questions. There’s not even a hint of Modernism. Either prove that the Society is accepting Modernism/Vatican 2 or shut up. The problem with critics of the Society is that they rely wholly on speculation, not facts

    Well, that settles it.  You were there for several weeks and spoke to some priests.  Unfortunately, you're not a reliable judge of Modernism, having shown yourself to be one on a couple of other threads.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #33 on: October 29, 2018, 08:29:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on October 28, 2018, 05:43:33 PM
    You have a lot of growing up and learning to do if a vocation to Holy Orders is ever in your future. Really, you do.

    He'll fit right in with the Modernist Neo-SSPX.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #34 on: October 29, 2018, 08:44:42 AM »
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    • Banezian could watch some of the explanations from Fr. Hesse.  He details this subject in a number of videos.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #35 on: October 29, 2018, 09:51:02 AM »
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    Its amazing if you talk to some of the  high school students at one of the Society schools. One in particular comes to mind. Saint Mary's. They have no idea why they are here in the Society. Why or how it started. They are not being taught Vatican II history.
    This is why most Millenials leave Tradition for the indult or novus ordo.  They are one full generation removed from V2 and their parents didn't teach them history.  (It's not the sspx's fault; it's the parents ultimately).
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #36 on: October 29, 2018, 11:16:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 29, 2018, 08:16:39 AM
    No, that would be the position of the FSSP.
    How so?  The SSPX (as well as The Resistance) and all the indults (such as the FSSP) believe the modern hierarchy is valid.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #37 on: October 29, 2018, 12:59:55 PM »
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    • THE MORE YOU LOOK AROUND THE DEEPER IT GOES,UNBELIEVABLE !!

    The SSPX’s “2018—2019 Policy Handbook” allows for the formation of ‘transgender’ and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clubs



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    Last year we wrote about the FSSPX’s school (Saint Michael’s) in Burghclere, England and their very disturbing handbook in the post, The SSPX’s “Child Protection Policy” endorsed masturbation, sodomy, obscenity, pornography, etc....  Supporters of the SSPX hemmed and hawed over the handbook stating that Call Me Jorge... made it up, misrepresented the facts, was out to get the Society, and our favorite — that the handbook was from last year and it was old news.  Well buckle-up because another one of the Society’s schools has done it again.  This time it is the St. John Bosco Private School in Alberta, Canada.  We can already hear the defenders clamoring that the website says, “St. John Bosco Private School is an independent school affiliated with the Alberta Charitable Society of St. Pius X.”  ‘See, it says “affiliated” it doesn’t say it’s part of it!’


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    So what do the 2018—2019 handbooks state?



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    From the 2018—2019 Policy Handbook, Preface, page 4.
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    There you have it following has been approved by Fr. Daniel Couture, SSPX and we also note that the headmaster of the school is Fr. Frank Riccomini, SSPX. 

    The offending pages can be found in the 2018—2019 Policy Handbook, (pp. 45 - 48), and in the Welcome & Caring Policy, (pp. 4 - 9).

    The Board that runs the school will not tolerate bullying or discrimination on the basis of an individual’s actual or perceived differences, including sɛҳuąƖ orientation, gender identity and gender expression.
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    It gets worse. The Board requires that its school and staff promote a welcoming...safe learning environment that respects diversty as reflected in An Act to Support gαy-Straight Alliances.
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    And it continues, support and affirm dignity while respecting diversity, gender identity and gender expression.
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    Why all this talk of gender identity and gender expression?  Well, so your boy can form a gαy-straight alliance or queer-straight alliance!
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    At this point don’t you feel like throwing up?
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    Well, there you have it.  Another school of the SSPX is violating the natural law in its handbooks again.  If these are hoops that the government of Alberta, Canada makes a school jump through, why have a school at all?  If they put these policies in the handbook but do not intend to follow them, wouldn’t this be deceitful to say the least?  We don’t recall the early martyrs offering incense to the pagan gods.  If neither, why are they in the handbook?  Furthermore, does the SSPX not understand the difference between sex and gender?  It pains us at Call Me Jorge... to write this but is there any difference these days between the members of the Society and the conservatives in the Novus Ordo?


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    We cannot imagine that  St. John Bosco and Abp. Lefebvre would be 

    pleased with the handbooks of the St. John Bosco Private School.
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    • October 3, 2018 at 3:52 AM
      I am no expert in the SSPX, but facts and common sense should tell us where the SSPX really stands today. 

      They have been silent while we deal with an apostate pope. That fact renders them suspect, complicit, and useless. If they care so little about defending Christ, they certainly won't care about helping us out. Men like that are salt that has lost it's flavor. Throw it out.

      Are we so desperate we will cling to a false façade, rather than admit we are largely on our own? Yet we have God. I don't know about you, but I can't stand pretense. We have had enough of pretense. We have lived the last fifty years with pretense. If you look like a duck, quack like a duck, you're a dang duck. I shall consider you thus.
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      • October 3, 2018 at 10:40 AM
        I agree with you Kathleen, having been with the SSPX (better known as the $$PX) for almost 8 years. I finally left in disgust in 2017: a coarse, materialistic, schismatic mentality, a collection of bizarre personalities, a completely one-dimensional presentation of the Faith, and constant chaos and confusion. There is very little difference between them and the "Resistance" - only one of degree.



      • October 3, 2018 at 8:36 PM
        If I may ask, where did you go when you left? I thought the SSPX might prove to be the remnant church.



      • October 14, 2018 at 11:23 PM
        Traditional Catholic chapels holding the sedevacantist opinion and/or obeying the 1945 Missal and Holy Week are your best bet.
        Andrew





    • October 3, 2018 at 1:27 PM
      I suspect that it is impossible to operate a school in these places without at least pretending to go along with it. I guess this is sort of the consequelism (end justifies the means). However, I strongly suspect that the SSPX is not in favor of these things and, in fact, does everything it can to discourage these things.
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    • October 4, 2018 at 3:11 AM
      Bring this matter to Fr. Couture, to be fair. If he still does not act, then we will know for certain his true colours.
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    • October 4, 2018 at 9:25 AM
      Agreed. Where is the voice of the SSPX hierarchy in this current crisis? Very suspect!
      As far as the school policies in Canada and England, they are also being implemented by Novus Ordo sect schools. Perhaps these traditionalists are only interested in the novelty of the Latin Mass and not the real faith. Where are the outraged parents, by the way?
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    • October 4, 2018 at 3:50 PM
      Outraged parents of St. Michael's in Burghclere England were told that the policy booklet was a cut and paste of a Local Education Authority template - that it was completed by a young male supervisor (adherent of ICK who would not receive the sacraments from an SSPX priest)...who then said that he and his friends who helped him were incompetant / that the offending pages were removed then restored as part of another technical incompetance,St Michael's then admits that it is not immorality but incompetance...since that incident and several more - the parish has been invaded by indulters the actual SSPXers including religious are leaving, the number of pupils have more than halved I suspect that the social clensing is done purposefully with blessing from Menzingen. I think outraged parents of England know exactly what they are doing ...and so do the SSPX
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #38 on: October 29, 2018, 01:36:17 PM »
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    • I LOOKED UP THE SCHOOL, PRETTY SAD SITUATION !

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #39 on: October 29, 2018, 03:27:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 29, 2018, 11:16:24 AM
    How so?  The SSPX (as well as The Resistance) and all the indults (such as the FSSP) believe the modern hierarchy is valid.

    He stated originally that if you believe the hierarchy are legitimate, the SSPX position is the correct one.  I begged to differ, stating that the correct position would be that of FSSP, to be in actual subjection to the hierarchy.  I'm trying to flush out why he thinks that SSPX is more correct than FSSP.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #40 on: October 29, 2018, 08:02:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 29, 2018, 03:27:21 PM
    He stated originally that if you believe the hierarchy are legitimate, the SSPX position is the correct one.  I begged to differ, stating that the correct position would be that of FSSP, to be in actual subjection to the hierarchy.  I'm trying to flush out why he thinks that SSPX is more correct than FSSP.
    I see what you're saying/doing now.  Thanks.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #41 on: October 30, 2018, 02:38:03 PM »
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    • Banezian,
    You say SSPX is not moving toward modernism. Why do they tolerate or put up with the state telling them they have to do something immoral by accepting Canada's diversity program ? If an lgbt-lmnop group wants to start a non traditional heterosɛҳuąƖ club ie; . homo, bisɛҳuąƖ etc..    The headmaster has to say yes no ifs ands or buts. Hows that with sticking with the faith of all time. The headmaster should close down the school or every parent worth their salt should take their kids out of that school.
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #42 on: October 30, 2018, 03:19:53 PM »
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    • The docuмent is morally repulsive, not only to Catholics, but to the two Jєωs and one Muslim I showed it to.  The twisting of Scripture to make Gal. 3 support the pervert agenda is blasphemous.  The parents should pull their children out and the school should close at once.  Sell the property and give the money to parents towards homeschooling.  It is the depth of hypocrisy to call a school "Catholic," which defames Our Lord and corrupts children.  (Anyone look good in a mill stone necklace?)

    If the civil arm prevents having a school that upholds morality (natural law), then do not have a school.  Parents who cannot homeschool can have their children taught for free in public school.  At least in public school, there is no hypocrisy; it is openly corrupt without pretense of being anything other than a moral sewer.  To possess foreknowledge is to enter battle well armed.  

    If neither homeschool nor actively waging warfare against Satan in public school is acceptable, then move out of Canada, or to a remote place in the Yukon and "unschool" the children.  (Yes, there is such a thing as unschooling!)
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #43 on: October 30, 2018, 03:41:27 PM »
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    • Banezian,
    Here's another example, a SSPX church in Kentucky just made an announcement, No longer a mortal sin to miss Mass on Acension Thursday as its being moved to Sunday. GEE , sounds just like NOVUS ORDO ,Banezion.  And they aren't moving toward Rome, give me a break !
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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #589 Oct 27 A.D. 2018
    « Reply #44 on: October 30, 2018, 03:49:12 PM »
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    • Banezian,
    Why does the SSPX (in the last 5-10 years, under +Fellay) accept the need for new-rome to "legitimize" their confessions/marriages, when +Lefebvre never thought it necessary? 

    Why does the SSPX (mostly in Europe) experiment with dialogue masses and other modern forms of the liturgy, when they never did under +Lefebvre?

    Why does the SSPX (under +Fellay) emphasize and take +Lefebvre's comments out-of-context when it comes to "obeying rome" and they de-emphasize his condemnations, warnings and lamentations on new-rome's heresies and errors?


    If you don't know TRUE history, you can't compare the past with the present.  Hence, you can't make a proper judgement on if the neo-SSPX is more accepting of Modernism than they used to be (and they are more accepting of it, to a large degree).
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