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ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
« on: October 18, 2017, 05:59:42 PM »
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  • Number DXXXV (535)
    October 14, 2017
    Putin Speaks
    When people suffer, then it is they learn.
    Here’s why the West will have to crash and burn!

    When everything in the world around us is being turned upside down, it should not surprise us to find the Pope talking like a Communist politician and the leader of Russia talking like a Catholic Pope. Thus one reader of these “Comments” was surprised to see them (August 5) referring to “Holy Russia,” when since 1917 it is Russia that has been spreading its errors throughout the world. But “Holy Russia” is an expression that goes much further back than the 20th century. It refers to the Russian people’s natural inclination to religion. If from 1917 to 1989 they were the spring-bed of international Communism, that is only because they served it with a religious fervour, because it was – and still is – the messianism of materialism, the main Jewish substitute religion for post-Christians (who have only themselves to blame).
    But 72 years of Communism caused the Russians so much suffering that they learned their lesson and are now finding their way back to God, and their nation’s turning to Him has deserved for them from God a true statesman for their leader, who is the hope of many decent souls all over the world. Some experts in the perfidy of the New World Order are still distrustful of Vladimir Putin, which is understandable, but as Americans say, if he talks, walks and quacks like a follower of Christ, then common sense says that he is a follower of Christ. Read here a version (taken from video sub-titles) of a speech of his one year ago in Russia, and judge for yourselves if his world-vision is not Christian:—
    A further challenge for the Russian national identity is connected to the processes we observe outside of Russia. They include foreign policy, morals and other aspects. We see that many Euro-Atlantic States have taken the path of denying or rejecting their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilisation. In these countries the basis of morals and of any traditional identity is being denied – national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized. There, politics treat a family with many children as juridically equal to a homosexual partnership – faith in God is equal to faith in Satan. The excesses and exaggerations of “political correctness” in these countries lead to serious consideration for the legitimising of political parties that promote propaganda for paedophilia.
    The people in European States are actually ashamed of their religious affiliations and are even frightened to speak about them. Christian holidays and celebrations are abolished or given neutral names, as if one were ashamed of those Christian holidays. By this means the deeper moral value of these celebrations is hidden from view. And these countries try to force this model onto other countries. I am deeply convinced that to live this way will lead directly to culture being degraded and returned to a primitive condition. And this makes the demographic and moral crisis of the West still deeper. Today nearly all countries of the West cannot survive reproductively, not even with the inflow of population by immigration. What clearer proof of the moral crisis in the West could there be than this inability to reproduce itself?
    Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values that have been formed and developed over thousands of years, people inevitably lose their human dignity. As for ourselves we think it is right and natural to defend these moral values coming from Christianity. We must respect the right to self-determination of every minority, but by the same token there cannot and must not be any doubt about the rights of the majority.
    At the same time as we observe this decadence at the national level in the West, on the international level we observe the attempt to unify the world in accordance with a unipolar model, to relativize and remove institutions of international law and national sovereignty. In such a unipolar unified world there is no place for sovereign States, because such a world requires only vassals. From a historical perspective such a unipolar world would mean the surrender of one’s own identity and God-created diversity.
    Kyrie eleison.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 07:10:46 PM »
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  • Much thanks to Bishop Williamson for another excellent Eleison Comment!  I would just mention, however, that Putin's speech was not  given "one year ago," as stated in the EC, but was actually given on September 19, 2013, some 4 years ago and interestingly enough exactly 167 years to the day after our Blessed Mother is said to have been found weeping by two shepherd children.  In a sense we might say that Putin was also weeping for the West in his speech.  And just as Our Lady's message given at La Sallete has been tragically ignored by so many, so too for the riveting message given by Putin in his speech.


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 07:44:14 PM »
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  • So, "Holy Russia" is doing it's part in laying the foundation, when's the "Christian West" going to take heed of Our Lady's request so the "job" can get done!

    Our Lady of Fatima... pray for us.
    St. Chrysostom... pray for us. 

    Long live "Holy Mother Russia!"


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 08:09:47 PM »
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    Putin?

    Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values that have been formed and developed over thousands of years, people inevitably lose their human dignity. As for ourselves we think it is right and natural to defend these moral values coming from Christianity. We must respect the right to self-determination of every minority, but by the same token there cannot and must not be any doubt about the rights of the majority.
    1. The "Orthodox" are schismatics, not Catholics.
    2. Non-Catholics can only be said to be "Christian" in a very loose, secular sense.

    What is quoted here is not Catholic/Christian, but it 'sounds nice".

    "The enemy of my enemy..." ... gets the bottom of the mag, and as much as this will tick people off, assessing a Putin to be such an enemy verges on the Pollyanna at best.


    This is just more Hegel and a bagel, so don't be so hungry that you eat poison, or thirsty that you drink bleach.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 08:32:30 PM »
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  • Blessed are the peace makers.  A strong argument can be made and certainly has been made by a good number of fairly knowledgeable people that Putin has more or less prevented World War III on more than one occasion.  No small accomplishment!


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 08:36:20 PM »
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  • Blessed are the peace makers.  A strong argument can be made and certainly has been made by a good number of fairly knowledgeable people that Putin has more or less prevented World War III on more than one occasion.  No small accomplishment!
    To equate "peace" with "world not at war" seems more that a bit sophistic.

    If I abstain from shooting you in the face, does that mean that I prevented your murder?

    Also, even granting that, relevance please?

    Additionally, "... moral values that have been formed and developed over thousands of years."

    What, exactly, does that mean, to what does this refer?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 08:39:28 PM »
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  • The monthly newsletter Catholic Candle ran a big article in their October 2017 issue titled "The Fake Resistance Bishops Refer to Godless and Heretical Russia as “Holy Russia”

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
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  • The monthly newsletter Catholic Candle ran a big article in their October 2017 issue titled "The Fake Resistance Bishops Refer to Godless and Heretical Russia as “Holy Russia”
    Okay?
    "Lord, have mercy".



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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2017, 08:00:22 AM »
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  • 1. The "Orthodox" are schismatics, not Catholics.
    2. Non-Catholics can only be said to be "Christian" in a very loose, secular sense.

    What is quoted here is not Catholic/Christian, but it 'sounds nice".

    "The enemy of my enemy..." ... gets the bottom of the mag, and as much as this will tick people off, assessing a Putin to be such an enemy verges on the Pollyanna at best.


    This is just more Hegel and a bagel, so don't be so hungry that you eat poison, or thirsty that you drink bleach.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49oPuI54eEGTF92S2laQVNtWFE/view
    Seems Catholic Candle agrees heartily with you.
    It seems more in the line of Bishop Fellay than Bishop Williamson to argue that schismatic Orthodox Catholics are ‘Christians’ and therefore to be called “Holy”. Or rather, more in the line of Pope Francis who calls the Lutherans the same. 

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 08:41:25 AM »
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  • 1. The "Orthodox" are schismatics, not Catholics.
    2. Non-Catholics can only be said to be "Christian" in a very loose, secular sense.

    What is quoted here is not Catholic/Christian, but it 'sounds nice".

    "The enemy of my enemy..." ... gets the bottom of the mag, and as much as this will tick people off, assessing a Putin to be such an enemy verges on the Pollyanna at best.


    This is just more Hegel and a bagel, so don't be so hungry that you eat poison, or thirsty that you drink bleach.
    Bravo! Isn't true that once a person is liked they become trusted, and once they are trusted they can sell their false idea's, regardless of whether they are a Catholic?

    Completely not Catholic what is quoted!!!




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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2017, 09:09:00 AM »
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    When everything in the world around us is being turned upside down, it should not surprise us to find the Pope talking like a Communist politician and the leader of Russia talking like a Catholic Pope.
    "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 09:18:14 AM »
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  • Just an opinion, but I think when Russia is correctly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, there will be conversions and Baptisms, en masse.

    It will be miraculous and hit them hard!  None of this graduated process stuff.

    The precedent for en masse conversions is Mexico under Our Lady of Guadalupe.



     It all happened in a very short period of time... going to 9 million souls, replacing Europe's apostates and heretics.

    The Franciscans in Mexico were so overwhelmed by the queue at the Baptismal fonts, men had to hold their arms up, so they could continue administering the gateway Sacrament.

    That's right... no BOD for them.    :incense:




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS #535 PUTIN SPEAKS Oct. 18 A.D. 2017
    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2017, 09:57:09 AM »
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  • Just an opinion, but I think when Russia is correctly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, there will be conversions and Baptisms, en masse.

    It will be miraculous and hit them hard!  None of this graduated process stuff.

    The precedent for en masse conversions is Mexico under Our Lady of Guadalupe.



     It all happened in a very short period of time... going to 9 million souls, replacing Europe's apostates and heretics.

    The Franciscans in Mexico were so overwhelmed by the queue at the Baptismal fonts, men had to hold their arms up, so they could continue administering the gateway Sacrament.

    That's right... no BOD for them.    :incense:
    I'm sure as Catholics, we all HOPE for these conversions and subsequently baptism.

    Be careful though, you may upset the the bishops and priests with these comments you've just made. I mean, what % of so-called Catholics would you say promote this idea: 95% or more?

    Fr. Denis Fahey, The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jewish Nation (1953), p. 52: “The Jews, as a nation, are objectively aiming at giving society a direction which is in complete opposition to the order God wants.  It is possible that a member of the Jewish Nation, who rejects Our Lord, may have the supernatural life which God wishes to see in every soul, and so be good with the goodness God wants, but objectively, the direction he is seeking to give to the world is opposed to God and to that life, and therefore is not good. If a Jew who rejects our Lord is good in the way God demands, it is in spite of the movement in which he and his nation are engaged.”

    Point is, if there are Jews rejecting Christ on a daily, but simultaneously in a state of grace, the same must said of the Orthodox schismatics. This make miracles redundant right? Wouldn't the real miracle be found in Faheys' words?



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    “In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, which will be converted, and a period of peace will be given to mankind.”
    "Lord, have mercy".

     

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