Author Topic: Eleison comments 380 October 25, 2014 (Read 42144 times)

hollingsworth · « **Reply #40 on:** October 27, 2014, 04:58:10 PM »

CM:

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But if he is the pope as so many of you believe, then how can you complain about this? How can you hate the seer? It is that hatred which is from the devil more than anything else. Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is good regardless of whether you are SSPX, Resistance, sedevacantist, or something else. As far as I can tell the only people who should be disturbed by this new vision would be those who would like to prevent any kind of consecration from taking place.

This reasoning is at least as good, if not better, than most of us pope-believing trads might offer. Yes, CM, some of the comments from those in opposition to the seer at least seem to border on a kind of hatred for her. I don't understand it either.

wallflower · « **Reply #41 on:** October 27, 2014, 05:32:20 PM »

Funny, that seemingly gratuitous hatred is exactly what would make me curious to look deeper. If I had the time or the energy or it was essential to the Faith. Lucky for me, it is not.

Maybe one of these days I will be able to read through the many threads on the topic and form an intelligent opinion. For now it just bothers me that the sincere and innocent prayers of so many people seem to be wielded around so cavalierly in political battles. First the Rosary Crusades were (allegedly) a sham to cover up GREC's work, now this (again, allegedly). People for +Fellay use them as a sign, people against +Fellay use them as a sign. (We need a tongue-hanging-out-in-exhaustion emoticon!)

Maybe it's just the weather affecting me but sometimes this stuff is depressing.

richard · « **Reply #42 on:** October 27, 2014, 06:12:07 PM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria

1. Fatima is an approved apparition.
2. At Fatima, Our Lady requested the Pope to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart
3. This newer vision which Bishop Williamson is referring to has exactly the same purpose as the Fatima message, namely to ask the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

I am a sedevacantist so I don't believe Francis is the pope but at least I can see that attributing this whole thing to the devil is ridiculous. Even if Francis is not the pope, it would be harmless to ask him to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. But if he is the pope as so many of you believe, then how can you complain about this? How can you hate the seer? It is that hatred which is from the devil more than anything else. Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is good regardless of whether you are SSPX, Resistance, sedevacantist, or something else. As far as I can tell the only people who should be disturbed by this new vision would be those who would like to prevent any kind of consecration from taking place.

I don't think a consecration done by Francis would have any effect at all but at least if he did it, it would prove whether or not he was actually the pope. So I would welcome it.

CM: I am not a sede but well said sir! :applause:

Elizabeth · « **Reply #43 on:** October 27, 2014, 06:12:39 PM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria

I don't think a consecration done by Francis would have any effect at all but at least if he did it, it would prove whether or not he was actually the pope. So I would welcome it.

:laugh1:Now I've heard everything!

Elizabeth · « **Reply #44 on:** October 27, 2014, 06:23:03 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

....Maybe one of these days I will be able to read through the many threads on the topic and form an intelligent opinion....

I am pretty sure your opinion would be extremely intelligent, if you had access to the years of online behavior which is no longer available to the average person.

Nobody is gratuitously hateful, but many of us who have watched this unfold over the years online are certain that this is a huge mistake.