Author Topic: Eleison comments 380 October 25, 2014 (Read 40653 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #205 on:** October 31, 2014, 11:48:55 AM »

I suggest that you're completely making up the causality here out of contempt for the alleged seer.

I submit, having known Bishop Williamson, that "Dawn Marie" applied spin to her message in response to the growing rift between the two bishops, having given up on her efforts to win over +Fellay, rather than that Bishop Williamson altered his position based upon the influence of DM. I see no alteration of Bishop Williamson's position; he's been extremely consistent over the years, IMO, almost to the point of being stubborn about it and closed-minded.

holmoak · « **Reply #206 on:** October 31, 2014, 12:24:47 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Quote from: Adolphus
There is always the possibility that she is being deceived by the devil.

I think it is possible that there are many other cases similar to this one: persons claiming they have received messages from Heaven.

The questions are: why Bp. Williamson is given so much importance to DM. And why Bp. Fellay paid so much attention (if he did so)…

Yes I agree - I wrote on the thread for the 1st EC on this issue:

Quote from: curioustrad
Consider this:

A woman claiming locutions may be receiving them from:

(a) God, Angel, Saint i.e. BVM (supernatural in origin)
(b) Evil Spirit (Preternatural)
(c) human agency:

(i) Others telling her what to say
(ii) Delusions - which subdivide into from an overactive pious mind, weak mind - imaginings (not necessarily malicious) or mental issues far more serious.

However, as per Militia Iesu we have a blatant disavowal 6 years (2012) after all these events began to take place (2006) here on CI.

Note the date of DM's post in the link: Posted Aug 15, 2012, 5:40 am

4 days later + Williamson told me in an e-mail he didn't believe DM anymore.

The question is why have they both changed their stories ?

I received an email from Bp. Williamson dated August 27, 2012 stating his belief and support of the visionary and messages. In all my correspondence with him through the years since this began to the present day he has never indicated otherwise to me. Perhaps the email you have of August 19 was a period when he didn't believe, that is possible.

curioustrad · « **Reply #207 on:** October 31, 2014, 12:43:48 PM »

Quote from: holmoak

Quote from: curioustrad
Quote from: Adolphus
There is always the possibility that she is being deceived by the devil.

I think it is possible that there are many other cases similar to this one: persons claiming they have received messages from Heaven.

The questions are: why Bp. Williamson is given so much importance to DM. And why Bp. Fellay paid so much attention (if he did so)…

Yes I agree - I wrote on the thread for the 1st EC on this issue:

Quote from: curioustrad
Consider this:

A woman claiming locutions may be receiving them from:

(a) God, Angel, Saint i.e. BVM (supernatural in origin)
(b) Evil Spirit (Preternatural)
(c) human agency:

(i) Others telling her what to say
(ii) Delusions - which subdivide into from an overactive pious mind, weak mind - imaginings (not necessarily malicious) or mental issues far more serious.

However, as per Militia Iesu we have a blatant disavowal 6 years (2012) after all these events began to take place (2006) here on CI.

Note the date of DM's post in the link: Posted Aug 15, 2012, 5:40 am

4 days later + Williamson told me in an e-mail he didn't believe DM anymore.

The question is why have they both changed their stories ?

I received an email from Bp. Williamson dated August 27, 2012 stating his belief and support of the visionary and messages. In all my correspondence with him through the years since this began to the present day he has never indicated otherwise to me. Perhaps the email you have of August 19 was a period when he didn't believe, that is possible.

Well maybe he disbelieved for my e-mail but not for yours all of which has me wondering will the real + Williamson please stand up ?

Adolphus · « **Reply #208 on:** October 31, 2014, 01:22:45 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: peterp
"Please also accept, and convey to the Holy Father, my sincere personal thanks for the docuмent signed last Wednesday and made public on Saturday. Most humbly I will offer a Mass for both of you." (http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/01/apology-letter-of-bishop-richard.html)

Notice the wording of this also. He didn't thank them for lifting the excommunication, because he doesn't believe it was valid in the first place. Never did. No "lifting" actually occurred. He thanked them for "the docuмent signed ... and made public".

Bp. Williamson did thank them for lifting the excommunication. He signed a letter in which a explicit thanking is written. Not only does such letter thank BXVI for the lifting of excommunication, but also accepts that the excommunication was effective during twenty years.

Militia Jesu · « **Reply #209 on:** October 31, 2014, 01:28:09 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Quote from: holmoak
Quote from: curioustrad
Quote from: Adolphus
There is always the possibility that she is being deceived by the devil.

I think it is possible that there are many other cases similar to this one: persons claiming they have received messages from Heaven.

The questions are: why Bp. Williamson is given so much importance to DM. And why Bp. Fellay paid so much attention (if he did so)…

Yes I agree - I wrote on the thread for the 1st EC on this issue:

Quote from: curioustrad
Consider this:

A woman claiming locutions may be receiving them from:

(a) God, Angel, Saint i.e. BVM (supernatural in origin)
(b) Evil Spirit (Preternatural)
(c) human agency:

(i) Others telling her what to say
(ii) Delusions - which subdivide into from an overactive pious mind, weak mind - imaginings (not necessarily malicious) or mental issues far more serious.

However, as per Militia Iesu we have a blatant disavowal 6 years (2012) after all these events began to take place (2006) here on CI.

Note the date of DM's post in the link: Posted Aug 15, 2012, 5:40 am

4 days later + Williamson told me in an e-mail he didn't believe DM anymore.

The question is why have they both changed their stories ?

I received an email from Bp. Williamson dated August 27, 2012 stating his belief and support of the visionary and messages. In all my correspondence with him through the years since this began to the present day he has never indicated otherwise to me. Perhaps the email you have of August 19 was a period when he didn't believe, that is possible.

Well maybe he disbelieved for my e-mail but not for yours all of which has me wondering will the real + Williamson please stand up ?

I think H.E. has been back and forth on this issue of believing and not believing her just as often as she (Dawn Marie) has been on supporting +Fellay one day and +Williamson in the next.

With me, also, bishop Williamson has shown signs of belief and skeptiscm. What is the turning point that finally made him take such a terrible and wrong decision? A couple of priests from Europe/South America --very friends of him-- think this is just a sort of veiled revenge against bishop Fellay. IMO that is a good guess, especially if one considers the opportunistic "visionary" knew exactly how to take advantage of all this.

And I would call attention to the carefully written words of his approval in the Eleison Coments 279 where +W states the story has the "likelihood" of being true... Would H.E still not quite convinced yet? However, I'm not sure if the damage will be signicantly reduced only and because of words carefully written.

Let's keep our eyes open as Dawn Marie heads to Boston KY this weekend and she might just increase the damage within the Resistance World..

KYRIE ELEISON indeed!