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clare · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2015, 04:01:09 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Yes, there are only two forms of Home Aloners

A) accidental: I live in Arkansas, and so there isn't a Tridentine Mass within 6 hours of me. I stay at home on Sunday because I certainly can't go to the Novus Ordo.

B) dogmatic: I stay at home at Sunday because the only options near me are "not acceptable" for some dogmatic reason -- something touching on the Faith.

Isn't the dogmatic kind more like "I stay at home on Sundays because there is no option anywhere at all on the planet"?

TKGS · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2015, 05:46:44 PM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: Matthew
Yes, there are only two forms of Home Aloners

A) accidental: I live in Arkansas, and so there isn't a Tridentine Mass within 6 hours of me. I stay at home on Sunday because I certainly can't go to the Novus Ordo.

B) dogmatic: I stay at home at Sunday because the only options near me are "not acceptable" for some dogmatic reason -- something touching on the Faith.

Isn't the dogmatic kind more like "I stay at home on Sundays because there is no option anywhere at all on the planet"?

That's what I thought. After all, even though there is an archdiocesan indult Mass in the area (closer than the chapel I attend), should the priest at my chapel not be available on a Sunday and Mass is canceled, I won't be going to the archdiocesan service for dogmatic reasons.

Does this make me a dogmatic home aloner?

2Vermont · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2015, 05:49:47 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: clare
Quote from: Matthew
Yes, there are only two forms of Home Aloners

A) accidental: I live in Arkansas, and so there isn't a Tridentine Mass within 6 hours of me. I stay at home on Sunday because I certainly can't go to the Novus Ordo.

B) dogmatic: I stay at home at Sunday because the only options near me are "not acceptable" for some dogmatic reason -- something touching on the Faith.

Isn't the dogmatic kind more like "I stay at home on Sundays because there is no option anywhere at all on the planet"?

That's what I thought. After all, even though there is an archdiocesan indult Mass in the area (closer than the chapel I attend), should the priest at my chapel not be available on a Sunday and Mass is canceled, I won't be going to the archdiocesan service for dogmatic reasons.

Does this make me a dogmatic home aloner?

I am in a similar situation but it's a diocesan TLM. Am I a "dogmatic home aloner" according to Matthew?

curioustrad · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2015, 05:57:09 PM »

There is an interesting passage in one of the "Great Escape" stories by Eric Williams who describes one of the escapees as taking refuge in various cinemas during his escape from a WWII POW camp - a great place to hide from inquisitive officials.

The escapee mentions seeing the same news reels in different cinemas which hid nothing from the German audience of the losses being sustained on the eastern front in particular. The escapee was shocked by this, particularly since Goebbels (propaganda minister) should, in his estimation, have censored this from the viewing public.

However, after the war, it was revealed in Goebbel's diaries that his policy was always (towards the end of the war) to be frank with the people as possible since he thought it would bolster the German "fighting spirit". One has only to recall the famous Gorlitz speech in which Goebbels vainly predicted the ultimate victory of the German military over the Russians.

The escapee also related that in each cinema, the end of the news reel was followed by the singing of the Horst Wessel Lied the semi-unofficial nαzι Party anthem, no doubt designed to rally the flagging "faith" in the Reich and its "leader". He describes that in some cinemas this song was sung with gusto, but in others the realization of the inevitable loss of the war produced a less than enthusiastic response.

A less than enthusiastic response often indicates a heightened perception of reality rather than a buoyant sense of triumphalistic jingoism - in my opinion.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2015, 06:43:40 PM »

A diocesan Mass is doubtfully valid. Both because the priest's orders are doubtful and because they distribute hosts from the NO. You are a home-aloner when you boycott valid traditional Masses said by priests whose orthodoxy is unquestionable.